[Jon O]

I haven't had any sudden weather transitions or weird fog.

Just wondering if I am having weird fog:

Currently in Bruma, there is what appears to be "fog" weather". I cannot look further than say 50 - 60 metres in game which is looking fine. But I can see the silhouettes of distant mountains and trees that are MUCH further away. I'm wondering if this is a limitation of the engine or some other issue? This issue I'm having with AN fog set to zero (disabled).

Then I wanted to see how things look with AN fog enabled if the silhouettes disappear. Ideally everything should be swallowed by fog beyond the 50 - 60 meters. But what happened was somewhat funny:

First of all, by trial and error, it was not the foggy weather .ini value I needed to fiddle with but the "cloudy" weather. OK. Then the shocker: with a value of 0.50 I could barely see 15 meters ahead. A value of 0.3 would barely let me see the person I was talking to! So really extreme thickness of fog (or clouds). :huh: Even this I could accept, but the issue of distant mountain silhouettes visible persisted which did not feel right...

So I guess my question is do I have a AN problem or not? I have the AN Scripts.esp fix installed. I have set both uGrids to 15. I can post some screenshots if you like.

And Merry Christmas everybody! : :dance:

[GabiiE Liiziiouz]

Just wondering if I am having weird fog:

Currently in Bruma, there is what appears to be "fog" weather". I cannot look further than say 50 - 60 metres in game which is looking fine. But I can see the silhouettes of distant mountains and trees that are MUCH further away. I'm wondering if this is a limitation of the engine or some other issue? This issue I'm having with AN fog set to zero (disabled).

Then I wanted to see how things look with AN fog enabled if the silhouettes disappear. Ideally everything should be swallowed by fog beyond the 50 - 60 meters. But what happened was somewhat funny:

First of all, by trial and error, it was not the foggy weather .ini value I needed to fiddle with but the "cloudy" weather. OK. Then the shocker: with a value of 0.50 I could barely see 15 meters ahead. A value of 0.3 would barely let me see the person I was talking to! So really extreme thickness of fog (or clouds). :huh: Even this I could accept, but the issue of distant mountain silhouettes visible persisted which did not feel right...

So I guess my question is do I have a AN problem or not? I have the AN Scripts.esp fix installed. I have set both uGrids to 15. I can post some screenshots if you like.

And Merry Christmas everybody! : :dance:

The shilhouettes are just something that the game does. Even if you manage to get the fog colour to exactly match the sky color in the part of the sky the object is (which is different for each object), there is still the issue of the colour only being fully applied if the object is far enough away. I think the problem is because Oblivion's fog doesn't obscure the sky, or something like that (eg. IRL everything turns to the colour of the fog, but in Oblivion, objects are still clearly a different colour from the sky behind them.)

Yep, Merry Christmas to everyone reading too.

[Stephani Silva]

My last three saves would load, then crash a second later (like once scripts kicked in). Narrowed it down to AN, and the saves load fine now without it.

Here's the relevant snippet from my OBSE log, from after the last crash:

DoLoadGameHook: C:\blahblahfilepath\Save 444 - Aya - Gyerdion, Level 38, Playing Time 375.09.33.essloading from C:\blahblahfilepath\Save 444 - Aya - Gyerdion, Level 38, Playing Time 375.09.33.obseError in script 0101870fOperator := failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: All Natural Base.esm Offset: 0x1517 Command: LetError in script 0101870fAn expression failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: All Natural Base.esm Offset: 0x1517 Command: Let

All Natural Base.esm being 01, of course.

All three saves that won't load were made from within interiors that are part of Windfall, so are not affected by AN.

I'm sure it will work fine again after a clean save, but just thought I'd offer this in case it was useful. Please let me know if you'd like more data. And please enjoy this cake: :cake:

[Pat RiMsey]

My last three saves would load, then crash a second later (like once scripts kicked in). Narrowed it down to AN, and the saves load fine now without it.

Here's the relevant snippet from my OBSE log, from after the last crash:

DoLoadGameHook: C:\blahblahfilepath\Save 444 - Aya - Gyerdion, Level 38, Playing Time 375.09.33.essloading from C:\blahblahfilepath\Save 444 - Aya - Gyerdion, Level 38, Playing Time 375.09.33.obseError in script 0101870fOperator := failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: All Natural Base.esm Offset: 0x1517 Command: LetError in script 0101870fAn expression failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: All Natural Base.esm Offset: 0x1517 Command: Let

All Natural Base.esm being 01, of course.

All three saves that won't load were made from within interiors that are part of Windfall, so are not affected by AN.

I'm sure it will work fine again after a clean save, but just thought I'd offer this in case it was useful. Please let me know if you'd like more data. And please enjoy this cake: :cake:

Weird. All of a sudden it seems like the init script doesn't like doing "let ANVars.ClearList[0] := ANVars.vanilla[0]" even though both arrays are present and vanilla[0] is filled (or should be).
All I can say is to try setting ANVars.BaseArraysBuilt to 0 and then saving and reloading. That should re-populate the arrays and stop the problem occurring.

[Jessica Lloyd]

Yep, that fixed it! Didn't even have to save & reload, actually - as long as I opened the console before the init script ran, resetting the variable to 0 was enough. I did make a new save & reload though, and the new save was also stable. Wahoo! :celebration:

[Eileen Collinson]

Yep, that fixed it! Didn't even have to save & reload, actually - as long as I opened the console before the init script ran, resetting the variable to 0 was enough. I did make a new save & reload though, and the new save was also stable. Wahoo! :celebration:

I'm glad. I do wonder why this is happening for some people all of a sudden though - all I can think of is that it's a leftover from when OBSE v19 and 19a had that array bug. :shrug:

[Margarita Diaz]

I dunno! I have v19b, though, if that matters. :shrug: But hey, at least you have a known and easy fix! :twirl:

[Mike Plumley]

I missed that script fix, kudos on the repost.

Not to derail your thread or anything, but I recall someone was working on a patch to make AN Real Lights compatible with the Respawning Welkynd Stones mod. I cant recall who it was, or what the status is. Any idea who/what/where?

Played for years without Weather mods, tried AN and I really like it, great job all. Like the RL component as well, but I burn through a lot of Welkynd Stones, so really looking forward to that compatibility.

*ed* It's PacificMorrowind, listed on his miscellany page at the nexus, no status though.

Picking this up again, I recently downloaded that mod, and it looks pretty good. I'll see about making a patch if PM doesn't (I shall PM PM first ).

I've been running around SI today trying to find and fix the bugs andalaybay reported a while back, but so far I haven't come across anything (though I have seen a couple of things that work, but not quite the way I want them to). I haven't got to New Sheoth yet though, which is apparently where most if not all of the bugs are anyway.

[Mrs. Patton]

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=24416

[Cedric Pearson]

Hi, this is my load order. My problem is: when i am in an interior cell i Can′t see the outside!! Only the stars, but not the street, excuse my english ok? Do you understand me? I have installed wyre bash, phyton and follow the instructions in the readme.
Please help
Thanks in advance


Oblivion.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
All Natural Base.esm
HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
MIS.esp
MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
Bedrollsanyone.esp
ChaseCameraMod.esp
CT-Backpacks.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
diversegrasses.esp
Faction_Rank_Fix-5862.esp
MotionBlur.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
HorseSpeedEqualsPlayerSpeed.esp
MD_FasterHorseTurning.esp
TIE.esp
thievery.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Blood&Mud.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
bgIntegrationEV.esp
Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities - Thievery.esp
Better Cities - TIE Restricted Area.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
QTdof.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
Knights.esp
RealHungerEx.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
----Here goes the based patch All natural-indoor weather filter for mods.esp
AN Scripts.esp

[nath]

Hi, this is my load order. My problem is: when i am in an interior cell i Can′t see the outside!! Only the stars, but not the street, excuse my english ok? Do you understand me? I have installed wyre bash, phyton and follow the instructions in the readme.
Please help
Thanks in advance

First of all, looks like you need to run BOSS to get a better load order than the current. AN files normally load a lot higher, and some others look very strange aswell.
Also, I don't see any Immersive Interiors in the loadlist (or Rens interior mod for that matter). You need one of those to be able to see the outside landscape through the windows

[jenny goodwin]

HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp - Drop this. It's been proven to offer little to no improvement and is generally just wasting space.

As for the rest, definitely need to use BOSS. The most glaring error I see there is the USIP is loading before the UOP, which is all sorts of bad.

[Charlie Ramsden]

what do you think now qith this load order? the problem with the windows is still here
Thanks

Oblivion.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Immersive Interiors.esp
MIS.esp
MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
Bedrollsanyone.esp
ChaseCameraMod.esp
CT-Backpacks.esp
diversegrasses.esp
Faction_Rank_Fix-5862.esp
MotionBlur.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
HorseSpeedEqualsPlayerSpeed.esp
MD_FasterHorseTurning.esp
TIE.esp
thievery.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
Blood&Mud.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgIntegrationEV.esp
Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities - Thievery.esp
Better Cities - TIE Restricted Area.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
QTdof.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
RealHungerEx.esp
AN Scripts.esp

[Harry Hearing]

what do you think now qith this load order? the problem with the windows is still here
Thanks

You're still missing a bashed patch in the loadorder, fix that and it should work. Immersive Interiors does not (yet) work on EVERY window however, as it's a work in progress.

[SWagg KId]

You're still missing a bashed patch in the loadorder, fix that and it should work. Immersive Interiors does not (yet) work on EVERY window however, as it's a work in progress.

The bashed patch is here now, but nothing new.
Thank you ver much Friend. The load order is now correct??

Oblivion.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Immersive Interiors.esp
MIS.esp
MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
Bedrollsanyone.esp
ChaseCameraMod.esp
CT-Backpacks.esp
diversegrasses.esp
Faction_Rank_Fix-5862.esp
MotionBlur.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
HorseSpeedEqualsPlayerSpeed.esp
MD_FasterHorseTurning.esp
TIE.esp
thievery.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
Blood&Mud.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgIntegrationEV.esp
Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities - Thievery.esp
Better Cities - TIE Restricted Area.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
QTdof.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
----Here goes the based patch All natural-indoor weather filter for mods.esp
RealHungerEx.esp
AN Scripts.esp

[Lalla Vu]

The bashed patch is here now, but nothing new.
Thank you ver much Friend. The load order is now correct??

Think the best would be if you rightclick the file list in Wrye Bash and choose List Mods, copy/paste the loadorder from there instead so we can see it properly. Much easier for you to post it that way too anyway

[Josh Dagreat]

Here it is. Thanks again

[codebox]Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.0]
03 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
04 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
05 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
06 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
07 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
08 All Natural.esp [Version 1.1]
09 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.0]
0A Immersive Interiors.esp
0B MIS.esp
0C MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
0D All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.1]
0E WindowLightingSystem.esp
0F Bedrollsanyone.esp
10 ChaseCameraMod.esp
11 CT-Backpacks.esp
12 diversegrasses.esp
13 Faction_Rank_Fix-5862.esp
14 MotionBlur.esp
15 DLCHorseArmor.esp
16 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
17 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
18 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
19 HorseSpeedEqualsPlayerSpeed.esp
1A MD_FasterHorseTurning.esp
1B TIE.esp [Version 1.43]
1C thievery.esp
1D Knights.esp
1E Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
1F Blood&Mud.esp
20 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
21 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
22 xulTheHeath.esp
23 XulEntiusGorge.esp
24 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
25 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
26 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
27 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
28 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
29 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
2A xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
2B xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
2C xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
2D xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
2E xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
2F xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.2]
30 xulPantherRiver.esp
31 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
32 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
33 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.6]
34 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
35 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
36 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
37 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
38 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0]
39 RealisticFatigue.esp
3A RealisticHealth.esp
3B RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.5]
3C bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
3D bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
3E bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]
3F QTdof.esp
40 Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.1]
41 RealHungerEx.esp
42 AN Scripts.esp
43 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[Paula Ramos]

Here it is. Thanks again

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]04  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]05  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp06  DLCShiveringIsles.esp07  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]08  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]09  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]0A  Immersive Interiors.esp0B  MIS.esp0C  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp0D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]0E  WindowLightingSystem.esp0F  Bedrollsanyone.esp10  ChaseCameraMod.esp11  CT-Backpacks.esp12  diversegrasses.esp13  Faction_Rank_Fix-5862.esp14  MotionBlur.esp15  DLCHorseArmor.esp16  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]17  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp18  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]19  HorseSpeedEqualsPlayerSpeed.esp1A  MD_FasterHorseTurning.esp1B  TIE.esp  [Version 1.43]1C  thievery.esp1D  Knights.esp1E  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]1F  Blood&Mud.esp20  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]21  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]22  xulTheHeath.esp23  XulEntiusGorge.esp24  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]25  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]26  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]27  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]28  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]29  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]2A  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]2B  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]2C  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2D  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]2E  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]2F  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.2]30  xulPantherRiver.esp31  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]32  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]33  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]34  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]35  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]36  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]37  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]38  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]39  RealisticFatigue.esp3A  RealisticHealth.esp3B  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]3C  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]3D  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]3E  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]3F  QTdof.esp40  Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]41  RealHungerEx.esp42  AN Scripts.esp43  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Hmm, only the All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp is merged into the bashed patch and deactivated? I think you might need to rebuild the bashed patch and merge some more things into it.

[Roanne Bardsley]

The meshes in your meshes\allnatural\architecture\settlements folder have screwed up normals. Stuff is dropping through the floors and elsewhere.
Looks like a bit of work.

Finally looked in to this. Now I remember I actually did edit the collision on the settlements because the vanilla collision wasn't correct on the doors and a few other spots...however, turns out when Max imports the collision, every other normal is flipped. I wonder if Blender would import properly. If you have the time, could you import and of the four vanilla or USIP settlement interior meshes into Blender and see?

Now I just need to figure out how to fix this...I refuse to just use the vanilla collision because it's sloppy. I think I can fix it by flipping the normals back by hand, but that is really annoying...anyway, it seems here's another area that NifTools can't quite import right, Bethesda maybe used some bizarre tool to create it in the first place, so I don't blame NifTools.

[Hannah Barnard]

any way to install it withou wrye bash?

i hate wrye bash...

[Izzy Coleman]

Then find another weather mod, this one requires Wrye Bash.

[Amy Siebenhaar]

Shivering Isles Settlements collision errors fixed. http://www.4shared.com/file/8yrzYd51/AN-SI-SettlementMeshesFix.html.

I even learned a few things about collision as I fixed stuff, cool. Anyway, tested these and they all work fine now. Thanks metallicow for the report.

[Terry]

Thank you, Brumbek! :celebration:

[Lyndsey Bird]

I have the AN INI (in the INI folder) set to 80% darker nights (0.2), and it still seems way too light outside. I also noticed very abrupt weather changes as well; however, I had not set Enhanced Transitions and all that. I have not tested outside since making those INI changes, but the not-so-dark nights are my biggest concern. One more thing, how could I go about making the starting cell less bright? The windows is covered by some black mesh, but the daylight is still streaming through...


Thanks for all of the updates!
- Tomlong75210


Edit: forgot this...

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SI.esp  [Version 1.0]1D  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]1E  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]1F  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water - Nearer Fog.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.2]20  MIS.esp21  Distant Chapel Bells.esp22  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]23  Cities Alive At Night.esp24  WindowLightingSystem.esp25  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp++  Regrowing Nirnroot - Dissappear Reappear.esp  [Version 1.01]26  Willful Resistance.esp  [Version 4.0]27  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]28  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3.1]29  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.1]2A  FormID Finder4.esp2B  kuerteeCleanUp.esp2C  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]2D  Streamline 3.1.esp2E  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]2F  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]30  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]31  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp32  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]33  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp34  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - 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MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 2.09]++  OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.03]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]CA  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[Rebecca Clare Smith]

Hmm, only the All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp is merged into the bashed patch and deactivated? I think you might need to rebuild the bashed patch and merge some more things into it.

Could you please tell me what mmods to merge?
Thank you