[George PUluse]

Wait, were you inside when the black screen hit? If so, it could have been the black screen bug, make sure you've got the option somewhere in your Bashed Patch enabled.

It hit me repeatedly as I would exit the interior of Castle Seaview, so no, this was going on in an exterior, though in the courtyard of Castle Seaview. I walked in and out of the Castle about a dozen times and it was constant in its behavior.

I have Black Screen fix option active in my Bashed Patch already. I had never experienced a Black Screen around the Castle (or inside it) before I activated the colored seasons option. I practically never see Black Screen while playing, anywhere. This may just be a conflict with Castle Seaview and other mods when that option is enabled. I can live with it off.

[Catherine Harte]

OK, I should have also asked if your HUD also disappeared, or could you just not see your surroundings?

Sorry for the 20 questions...

[dav]

I actually tried playing without this for a while, in my effort to strip off all mods and see which ones I truly find essential. This was added back 20 minutes later. While the weather system is obviously stunning, natural interiors is what I really can't play without.

[Natasha Biss]

Any thoughts on what causes weather transitions when you change cells - like going into a city and the weather changes? I know oblivion engine has a mind of it's own, just wondering if there is anything I can do to make the weather more stable?

I'm with Ddraiggoch06, this mod is essential :goodjob:

[Sarah MacLeod]

It should stay the same with All Natural - that's part of the whole point of this mod. Are you sure you've installed correctly?

[..xX Vin Xx..]

It should stay the same with All Natural - that's part of the whole point of this mod. Are you sure you've installed correctly?

Well, it probably got installed correctly - but after that I have of course been mucking around with my mods and stuff, maybe that messed up something. I'll probably do a big clean save later on, maybe it'll get fixed then.

Cheers!

[Causon-Chambers]

OK, I should have also asked if your HUD also disappeared, or could you just not see your surroundings?

Sorry for the 20 questions...

Well, I tried to reproduce again to answer this question, but this time from a brand new game that I have started -- and I could not reproduce the Black Screen issue!

I'm stumped. Perhaps it was just a fluke or a save game issue before. Or it might have been a shader issue since I have since gone back to all default shaders and got rid of an old Tweak to "ensure" 3.0 shader usage. That might have been the cause of more trouble than it was ever worth, or not, but I feel safer sticking to the true default shaders again...

[Antonio Gigliotta]

... never mind

[rheanna bruining]

@ Saxster: Well, at least it works now. :shrug:

[Jordan Fletcher]

I read in another thread that having both all natural.esp and all natural - ew+nw+aws.esp active would cause crashes and that only the all natural - ew+nw+aws.esp should be active, is that true?

[Rachel Briere]

No. You read rubbish. Could you provide a link, so I can correct this misinformation?

[victoria gillis]

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1048086&st=20&start=20

That thread

By the way, should I import cells in bashed patch for all the ESPs?

[Betsy Humpledink]

You'll only have the option for All Natural.esp and All Natural - SI.esp, though all the weather plugins are mergeable (use only one though).

Oh, and the answer is yes.

[Matthew Warren]

without forcing me to scour back over multiple threads and posts, can someone tell me if this mod plays nice with better cities and also if the sounds of weather (rain etc) can be heard indoors (ala. weather inside) ?

[Emily Graham]

wrinkly i started a new game and im having some strange problem. My days are reversed somehow haha. At 8 am it is pitch black and at 8pm it is light outside. I dont know how this happened but it has to be because of something in all natural but im sure I installed it right. It was working before when I was using my old save but now its not? what could cause this?

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[Life long Observer]

@ Arkngt: Are you by any chance using Oblivion Stutter Remover? If so, try removing it, and seeing if your sounds come back. I can't replicate it, so if what I just said doesn't work, could you get the weather as I detailed earlier on in this thread?

@ BlackRainZ: Saxter also reported this happening when he had the automatic timescale feature in Real Sleep Extended active. Try disabling this. I'm not sure why this happens, it's one of the things I'm looking into.

@ Rumtruffle: Yes on both counts.

[Siobhan Thompson]

I see, that must be it. Ugh, I want that too haha.

[jennie xhx]

@ Arkngt: Are you by any chance using Oblivion Stutter Remover? If so, try removing it, and seeing if your sounds come back. I can't replicate it, so if what I just said doesn't work, could you get the weather as I detailed earlier on in this thread?

No, I'm not using Oblivion Stutter Remover. Here are the details on that particular weather in Chorrol (although I haven't had interior sounds in any weathers):

Weather: 0100085D Percentage:1.00 Time: 8.34 Region FormIDs:** Dumping array # 3 **Owner 08: Weather Debug Ring.esp[ 0.000000 ] : <noname> (000CA4DI)

The only thing I can think of that might have bearing on this is that I briefly tried out Storms & Sounds, but that was because I had no interior sounds - plus I'm pretty sure I reloaded from a save before the install of it when I removed it.

[Jennifer Rose]

OK, thanks for that. I'll hang around in Chorrol till I get that weather.

[Eve Booker]

Yes, regional weather is possible. ATM, it's only used to control where it snows, but pretty much anything should be possible, though it may get complicated. What are your thoughts?

My thoughts? Well, instead of just controlling where it snows, but also when it snows. The affect would be something reminiscent of seasonal weather. For example, in the Bravil-Leyawiin-Elsweyr region, during the summer months (say, May to October) there would be a high chance of rain and thunderstorms. During the winter months, Nov-Apr, the chance for rain would be drastically reduced.

For more northern or higher altitude climes, like Colovia, it would rain a lot in Aprl-June, become quite dry Jul-Sept, rainy again Oct-Nov, then Snowy from Dec through February or March. Places like the Jeralls would be snowy, say, 10 out of 12 months, with rain coming only during the high summer season.

So, my recommendation would go beyond just controlling where weather events occur, but also when they occur, and, of course, in what frequency they occur.


I know OBSE has a "get time" function, so perhaps this could be utilized?

[Sanctum]

OK, thanks for that. I'll hang around in Chorrol till I get that weather.

Sorry, don't waste time on this. I checked the Bashed Patch and I hadn't All Natural.esp checked for Import cells... :rolleyes: Pretty sure that's the problem, although I haven't checked ingame yet. So sorry for wasting your time on a wild goose chase.

EDIT: Yep, works fine now. And, wow, it's amazing. The lighting and lightning through the windows in the chapel, the lighting inside, the interior sounds. Awesome stuff!

[Jade Payton]

:facepalm:

[Manuela Ribeiro Pereira]

:facepalm:

Indeed. Oh, and the nights are fine as well when using the OBSE Enhanced Nights. In my defense it is a pretty advanced mod/install and I've never used any of the integrated mods before so I didn't know quite what to expect from IE - but I should of course have double-checked the readme sooner.

Anyway, thanks for this mod. As soon as I saw Natural Interiors in (real) action I knew I'll never play without it.

[Stay-C]

@ Rumtruffle: Yes on both counts.

thanks dude

[A Boy called Marilyn]

Well, I tried to reproduce again to answer this question, but this time from a brand new game that I have started -- and I could not reproduce the Black Screen issue!

I'm stumped. Perhaps it was just a fluke or a save game issue before. Or it might have been a shader issue since I have since gone back to all default shaders and got rid of an old Tweak to "ensure" 3.0 shader usage. That might have been the cause of more trouble than it was ever worth, or not, but I feel safer sticking to the true default shaders again...

And..it's B-AACK!

I left Enhanced Colours enabled since my last issue didn't reappear in my new game, but then I went and loaded up a new mod that triggered the problem again, a mod that changes weather in its own vicinity so that rain won't come inside the "exterior" house. So, I think perhaps I'm on to what may have caused the same issue near Castle Seaview, though I don't recall any documentation with the Castle ever stating it altered nearby weather -- it might.

The mod that caused the Black Screen (and yes, it was black in the game world, but I could see my UI) in this case is a great little housing mod called Abandoned Mountain Shack: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22846

Maybe this info will come in handy, even if it just means updating the All Natural readme to warn people about the conflicts.