Weird little details that don't make sense

Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:14 am

Why can you hit people with a rolling pin, but you cannot hit them with a hammer?

Weapon repair kits include wrenches. You can use up scrap metal, electronics, duct tape or wonderglue- but how oh how do you use up a wrench wihle repairing a gun?

Why can you skin a dog and a coyote, but not a Nightstalker who has the exact same body plan?
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:51 am

1. hammers are unwieldable, silly.

2. you hit the gun with the wrench to clear the jam

3. nightstalkers shed there skin, so it has to have something to do with that.

obviously, i have no idea what the REAL answers are to these questions. cause, y'know, i dont think there are any.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:31 am

1. hammers are unwieldable, silly.

Yes, but that's the point- WHY are they unwieldable? What gave the developers the idea that a rolling pin is a more appropriate weapon than a hammer?

2. you hit the gun with the wrench to clear the jam

I can see how it could damage the gun- but the wrench?

3. nightstalkers shed there skin, so it has to have something to do with that.

Snakes shed skin. And yet you can skin snakes.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:09 am

Why can you hit people with a rolling pin, but you cannot hit them with a hammer?

Weapon repair kits include wrenches. You can use up scrap metal, electronics, duct tape or wonderglue- but how oh how do you use up a wrench wihle repairing a gun?

Why can you skin a dog and a coyote, but not a Nightstalker who has the exact same body plan?

You make all god points but....
Probably because it's a game and all the real life possibilities can't be put into it.

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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:37 am

The game is about power generated by the Hoover Dam, but all power lines are broken :lmao:

The miner boss in Sloan says they ship the ore to Boulder City with a train, but all the railroad tracks are broken too.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:50 pm

why u can give ed-e a stimpack. And there isn't a single transparent window in the game.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:42 am

why u can give ed-e a stimpack.

I think ED-E can even be poisoned.

And there isn't a single transparent window in the game.

Worse, you can't even shoot through gaps in a car wreckage. You plainly see the target in your sights as you crouch behind the car and nothing is in the way, but your bullets hit the car just the same.

Tojka- great point about power lines :)
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:45 pm

The game is about power generated by the Hoover Dam, but all power lines are broken :lmao:

The miner boss in Sloan says they ship the ore to Boulder City with a train, but all the railroad tracks are broken too.


There's some undergorund cables, I believe some guy at the El Dorado substation said so.

And the Powder Gagers were brought there to build and maintain the railroads. We all know how that ended.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:14 am

The miner boss in Sloan says they ship the ore to Boulder City with a train, but all the railroad tracks are broken too.


Apart from a handful of places where the tracks are covered by dirt and rubble, the railway between Boulder City and the quarry is intact ^^
And yeah, burying the powerlines makes a lot of sense.

But, it's a game using an old engine with certain limitations, people. I too lament the fact that I can't use a shovel to make a pitfall trap into a tank with lasersharks, but honestly, I'd rather have the game published this century than seeing my great grandchildren play FONV: The PA reality simulator :teehee:
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:43 am

They can create stimpaks, maintain robots and computers and yet, 200 hundred years after the apocalypse no one can remember how to build a cart.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:45 pm

They can create stimpaks, maintain robots and computers and yet, 200 hundred years after the apocalypse no one can remember how to build a cart.


Nice one :D
Why would they when they have flying mail monkeys robots with storage space.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:55 pm

Why can you hit people with a rolling pin, but you cannot hit them with a hammer?

Weapon repair kits include wrenches. You can use up scrap metal, electronics, duct tape or wonderglue- but how oh how do you use up a wrench wihle repairing a gun?

Why can you skin a dog and a coyote, but not a Nightstalker who has the exact same body plan?

The real question is, "Why can you hit poeple with a pool cue, but not use it to hit pool balls?".

*** and the real stinger with that is...
Spoiler
That the pool balls and the table all have Havok collision setup ~you CAN play pool with the BB gun.


why u can give ed-e a stimpack. And there isn't a single transparent window in the game.
Stimpacks can't cure mechanical damage to a machine.

The engine does not support interiors well; Most (if not all) l interior spaces in these games are actually different maps. Those that appear interior are exterior (like a ruined house with no walls).
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:45 am

They can create stimpaks, maintain robots and computers and yet, 200 hundred years after the apocalypse no one can remember how to build a cart.


Fallout 3 has people that can do Facial Surgery but no one figured out how to grow crops?

FO1 and FO2 have carts. The Brahmin are used to pull them. The game engine does not work well with wheels. Thats why there are no carts.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:50 am

Another one is why do all the windows on the Bison steve look like they have been painted on? They don't even look like glass.

The NCR whines about moving troops long distanes on foot, yet they refuse to send any scientists or mechanics to try and rebuild the many military trucks and planes near their bases. (I.E. Mcerran and Mojave outpost)

Another question I had is: Why don't the people in freeside that sleep on the streets try and clean out any of the old buildings? They could atleast try and scavenge in there.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:03 pm

The NCR whines about moving troops long distanes on foot, yet they refuse to send any scientists or mechanics to try and rebuild the many military trucks and planes near their bases. (I.E. Mcerran and Mojave outpost)



Where are they going to get the fuel for those trucks? Roads are also in crap shape so what good would the trucks be? Its been 200 plus years in the desert trucks are going to need alot of work. They were going to rebuild the rail roads.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:59 am

Where are they going to get the fuel for those trucks? Roads are also in crap shape so what good would the trucks be? Its been 200 plus years in the desert trucks are going to need alot of work. They were going to rebuild the rail roads.


I agree getting fuel would be hard, but honestly wouldn't rebuilding a railroad from Vegas to California be hard too? If there is fuel to power Vertibirds then there has to be fuel to power trucks and planes.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:10 pm

I agree getting fuel would be hard, but honestly wouldn't rebuilding a railroad from Vegas to California be hard too? If there is fuel to power Vertibirds then there has to be fuel to power trucks and planes.


Rail Road would be easer to build then fixing all the roads, producing bio-fuel and mass producing trucks. Teaching people how to drive.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:50 am

Where are they going to get the fuel for those trucks? Roads are also in crap shape so what good would the trucks be? Its been 200 plus years in the desert trucks are going to need alot of work. They were going to rebuild the rail roads.

You don't need roads for military trucks. A dirt trail would be plenty...
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:34 pm

You don't need roads for military trucks. A dirt trail would be plenty...


Two hundred year old army trucks would have trouble. All the work clearing the roads of cars and junk, rebuilding all the bridges.


One Rail line can bring thousands of troops. Would need a hell of a lot of trucks. Which need fuel, mechanics, tires and so on.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:15 am

Two hundred year old army trucks would have trouble. All the work clearing the roads of cars and junk, rebuilding all the bridges.

They could do it. The only thing I see that would prevent it is the tires. No way they are not rotted after 200 years, and I don't think anyone is making any, lol.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:09 am

Novac has been scavenging Repconn test site for decades (according to Old Lady Gibson), yet the ghouls got the rockets in working condition in apparently pretty short amount of time.

(Rockets are in irradiated hall, yes, but the controls sytems aren't. And there were no feral ghouls nor nightkin in the building until recently).
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:07 pm

They could do it. The only thing I see that would prevent it is the tires. No way they are not rotted after 200 years, and I don't think anyone is making any, lol.


I don't question that they could do it but why do it?

NCR very large with hundreds of thousands of people maybe even a couple million since FO2. Fuel would come from bio-fuel or ethanol. Synthetic oil would need to be produced. NCR need to feed its people first. Taking food away to produce fuel would upset alot of people. Tires would have to come from somewhere. An army of mechanics would be needed to fix and maintain the trucks. Road would have to be improved. Army of drivers would be needed.

One train, one driver and a few mechanics would be needed. Which is the easy, cheap solution for moving troops around.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:22 am

Novac has been scavenging Repconn test site for decades (according to Old Lady Gibson), yet the ghouls got the rockets in working condition in apparently pretty short amount of time.

(Rockets are in irradiated hall, yes, but the controls sytems aren't. And there were no feral ghouls nor nightkin in the building until recently).


What good are Rockets if you die within moments of getting close to them? People of Novac don't know enough about Rockets or care. The Ghouls could have done alot of work in the areas that are so full of radation we will die.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:09 pm

It depends on the type of engine tbh Styles, lack of power to the regional grid makes electric trains a liability.
Steam requires a lot of water and fuel, disel or bio ethenol requires either the base oil or crops.
Science based fussion / fission ones could work, if the NCR's OSI could figure it out and actually send enough men to get one running.

My view the trains are just mass sleepers being driven by brahmin packs on tracks.. cheap, effective and requires little work to maintain.
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Post » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:02 am

It depends on the type of engine tbh Styles, lack of power to the regional grid makes electric trains a liability.
Steam requires a lot of water and fuel, disel or bio ethenol requires either the base oil or crops.
Science based fussion / fission ones could work, if the NCR's OSI could figure it out and actually send enough men to get one running.

My view the trains are just mass sleepers being driven by brahmin packs on tracks.. cheap, effective and requires little work to maintain.


Mentioning Brahmin makes a good point. Can make bio disel with left over brahmin parts and other bio- fuel from crap.

Still one train, one driver a few mechanics to move thousands of troops is way cheaper then. Trucks which you'll need a driver for each one. Mechanics to rebuild and maintain those trucks. The Fuel for those trucks, parts, the infrastructure needed to move thousands of troops.

Its not really a matter of can they do it? Its a matter of which is cheaper and easier to do.

Also nuclear power is not really an option. World running low on uranium before the war.

I hope the Engine of FO4 allows for wheels because FO1 and FO2 have large Caravans of Brahmin pulling carts made out of old cars. I want to see that again insted of brahmin carring everying.
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