Weird Powder Ganger Issue : Fallout: New Vegas

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:33 pm

Hello, I am trying to get on the ground of the following:

This is what vanilla played for me:
I could walk up to the prision, talk to Dawes, go in, talk to Eddie. Even w/o PG-Armor they would not shoot me (IIRC).

This is how it plays now, after some unidentified mod killed it:
I walk up to the prison w/o PG-Armor, tower guards snipe me.
If I wear PG-Armor, Dawes will talk to me normally and let me pass, no "Powder Ganger Random NPC" will be bothered about me, however each and every named NPC besides Dawes will start shooting at me (and thus all hell will break loose).
The way to work around in game is by running in sight of the special NPC, addtofaction player, stopcombat, addtofaction powder gangers, but that really isn't a sustainable solution. Posting my LO here (using Masterupdate). Any help's appreciated.

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Thank you very much.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:31 pm

Are you sure that your reputation with the powder gangers didn't go down? If you have poor reputation with them you can get around it with most of the chars by using P/G armor, but Eddie and his main cronies will see through the disguise and attack you.

» Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:46 am

I am pretty sure. I suspected something like that, and cheated my reputation up for testing purposes. But even when I am Idolized - same issue. Is there anyway to bolster Powder Ganger fame except siding with them on the shoot out?

» Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:31 am

load all your mods with nvedit and check for any powder gangers changes, I would start with the named guy how shoots you.

You can see what mods alters what values, so you can disable them one bye one, try again, check, disable, enable ... till you found the error :brokencomputer:

» Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:19 am

I am pretty sure. I suspected something like that, and cheated my reputation up for testing purposes. But even when I am Idolized - same issue. Is there anyway to bolster Powder Ganger fame except siding with them on the shoot out?

Once you hit "vilified" with them, the game sets them as an enemy of the player faction. There is nothing in the script to handle your infamy being lowered, since there is no way in the vanilla game to do this without using the console.

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:24 pm

Once you hit "vilified" with them, the game sets them as an enemy of the player faction. There is nothing in the script to handle your infamy being lowered, since there is no way in the vanilla game to do this without using the console.

I have been Neutral with them, which by default game settings should allow me to talk to them.

Also, despite loading in NVEdit I have been unable to find anything

» Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:00 pm

I have been Neutral with them, which by default game settings should allow me to talk to them.

Also, despite loading in NVEdit I have been unable to find anything

You didn't kill those powder gangers in the camps on either side of the skydiving school did you?

Strangely enough, even if you're neutral with the PG, those camps are hostile.
They have been for me at least

» Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:21 am

You didn't kill those powder gangers in the camps on either side of the skydiving school did you?

Strangely enough, even if you're neutral with the PG, those camps are hostile.
They have been for me at least

Those are hostile, except when you are disguised. You can easily shoot one of those PG without affecting your rep, take a disguise and stroll to the gate.