The B.O.S and The Enclave works together for a common goal or died separate forever

Never. Gunna. Happen.

1) The BOS are mutants by Enclave standards. The Enclave use mutants for experimentation or slave labour; and then only if said experiments or labour are likely to lead the mutants to their deaths. Once their usefulness is up they're exterminated.

2) Perhaps worse than being mutants the BOS are TRATORS! The founding Maxson BROADCAST his intention to disobey orders; abandoned his post and encouraged others to join his insurrection. They stole US Government property and used it against (what the enclave see) as the legitimate government of the USA.

I had this idea but it's the Midwestern Brotherhood under Barnaky and Enclave Remnants in Chicago.

NCR rules! But it won't happen Enclave are miniscule until proven otherwise, and the BoS have never liked the Enclave, especially Capital Wasteland chapter.

not even little bit to survive so they can fight ncr in one big battle more famous the second battle of hover dam?

Well that just doesn't make any sense. The BoS is diminishing on the west coast, and the Enclave is only a few remnants on the west coast. You are really The Man without a Plan. Sorry if that offends you.

The Brotherhood as a whole has done more damage to the Enclave than the NCR ever has. Lyon's BOS is the organization that has the most Enclave blood on their hands.

And the West Coast BOS helped the NCR to take Navarro.

Why would they want to team up with them then? Its not really a case of "the enemy of the enemy is my friend". :shrug:

The BOS do not exist to fight; nor do they exist tp gain infamy. Same with the Enclave.

The BOS exist to preserve technology and keep it away from those who would misuse it. The Enclave exists to recreate the USA with pure humans. They have no goals in common.

The BOS is more than happy for the NCR to exist in some form - they were the midwife at its birth. They are concerned about their current tech level and just want to knock em down a peg or two... Not exterminate them. They have no interested in its technology its resources or its people.

The Enclave are only going to be happy when everyone (else) is dead.

No that's does not offend me but if u think about it does make sense a lot of cent :teehee:

Man you guy are not of fun to talk to about :fallout: try to be open minded man

Sorry to say but it does not.
The Brotherhood of Steel is directly opposed to the Enclave, having helped the Chosen One and the NCR wipe them out they would never side with them. And with Lyons BoS' war on the Enclave they have made sure that there will be no future with them allying with eachother.

Just putting it out there.. again :deal:


"I really hope the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58 is canon. The story would be awesome. Enclave in Chicago would be a lot like the MWBoS that have started to form a fascist military dictatorship that goes from Chicago to Colorado but the Enclave would have had to change as well. Despite the BoS acting a lot like them they are still impure in the eyes of the Enclave but if the Enclave in the area were smart they could become allies with the BoS.

Way I see it. The MWBoS fight a bloody war against the Super Mutants and then the Calculator. They force settlements to aid them by giving food, ammo and their best and brightest. Many people do join willingly but the BoS treat them as cannon fodder. The Elders let mutations join because they can be very useful in places humans can't due to radiation.

Vault Zero falls to the BoS and Barnaky becomes one with the Calculator. The BoS are happy to have General Barnaky back. There is a push to make him the head Elder of the MWBoS. The famed warrior (you) who is also a General backs the move to make Barnaky the new head elder, which he does become.

He soon recalls all mutations from the BoS armies and orders them back to their home bases were they are disarmed and tagged, later to be sent to work camps. BoS stops letting mutations join. Laws are passed and any mutation within the BoS' territory is to be rounded up and also sent to camps (work/death camps) which is the start of the great betrayal.

Elders that were most against Barnaky becoming head elder are removed from power. Soon purges happen with in the BoS, anyone that was against Barnaky or seen to aid mutations are also sent to the camps, entire settlement get put to the flame. Soon the Mutant Liberation army forms. BoS caravans and outpost get hit, work camps are liberated, the BoS see a dramatic fall in people willing to join the BoS, and they start having desertions.

Human numbers are replaced more and more by calculator robots and more purges follow fearing an inside job. The BoS stop trying to contact the West in order to get their own house in order.

Biggest blow happens when rouge BoS members set off several bombs within Vault Zero in a failed coup d'état. Many of the calculators systems are damaged beyond repair. Barnaky lives but finds has less control over the robotic forces. He can't control them all at once and the ability to make more robots is severely hampered.

Mutant Liberation Army makes allies with what’s left of the Reaver movement and are supplied with EMP weapons. The remaining slaver/raider groups once again become strong and prey on BoS settlements and outposts.

Decades of bloody Guerrilla warfare against the MLA and the predation of other factions (slavers, raiders) have driven the MWBoS back to their remaining strongholds such as Vault Zero and Cities in between Colorado and Chicago.

Lyons and his BoS are sent out to make contact but don't really know where they are, they know the MWBoS went East, they took a path that takes them away from the MWBoS strongholds at Vault Zero and the others in the Midwest. As Lyons gets closer to DC he hears rumors of people that have similar tech and a symbol are in the area. Lyon spends a long time hunting down those rumors. MWBoS fearing that Lyons is just the tip of a larger army coming up from the south west, do what they can to not be found by them.

Lyons is persistent and soon the MWBoS send out a group of their own elders to make contact. they tell Lyons that MWBoS are just a few hundred men and women close to Chicago. Lyons having made contact goes on to the more important mission of heading to DC.

Like the Barnaky ending states it’s a war the Mutant Liberation Army is distended to lose. MWBoS have seen bitter defeat after bitter defeat for generations and are now a shadow of their glory days but time is on their side. Mutations can't reproduce and the ones that don't fall to the BoS will be taken care of by father time. Humans and fellow BoS that sided with the MLA grow tired of fighting, seeing as how they have crippled the MWBoS and liberated much of their territory. Most just want to settle and farm, the threat is all but gone (so they think). After generations of war the younger generations don't take up the fight.

Maybe the MWBoS will find an ally in Augustus Autumn and his advanced tech can help the MWBoS take back what they lost."

"The hard times" I see for the Midwestern Brotherhood is a decades long war with the Mutant Liberation Army combined with a very paranoid General Barnaky that caused people to turn away from the BoS and ever rebel against the BoS. Along with Slavers, Raiders and Reavers rebuilding their power and causing problems. The Calculator gets damaged to the Robot Army can't be controlled all at once and new Robots take longer to be built. The Brotherhood are forced back to strongholds across the Midwestern United States.

Midwestern BoS can't produce their own PA so not every member gets one. Only the elite get the best weapons and armour. That is fact.

Enclave would have been worse off the Midwestern BoS. Midwestern BoS surround them and make a deal. Help us or die where you stand. Enclave takes the deal and move on to DC. Only a couple dozen scientists are left behind, which they were going to do any way. The Midwestern BoS give the Enclave supplies and a base in exchange for more advanced tech/weapons. Midwestern BoS make sure they are well guarded.

When Remnants come back from DC they learn more about the Midwestern BoS under Barnaky and their goals. Some see this as a chance to regain some power. A deal is made for Enclave leaders to become elders and the Enclave to remain independent body with in the Brotherhood ranks. Like I.T guys for the Brotherhood.

They help out the scribes and so on developed weapons to fight the enemies of the BoS. The Mutant Liberation army being the most pressing, Enclave leaders now elders start doing what Enclave does best. Become a shadow government with the MWBoS and someday take total control.

Who knows, maybe the Enclave make a deal with Barnaky to help make humanity pure blood again like the Enclave. Maybe that was Augustus' idea all along and why he went against Eden. Maybe he wanted to find a way to make waste landers pure through genetic engineering or breeding. Now he has a willing leader, Barnaky. That is willing to let the Enclave experiment to make humanity pure again, think about it people.
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Man u guy are really not fun to talk to about :fallout: just be open minded man don't shoot down every one who put a topic on the forums :banghead:

We don't shoot down ideas, we're just telling you it would not happen, why it would not, and that it would be useless for it to happen.

which mean you shoot down everything that get's on the forums

Go ahead and think that, but we do not.

They're enemies, they have been since they were both introduced. And now they're weak.

Did you not read my posts? I am not shooting you down. It's just my idea is about a different BoS and Enclave Remnants.

not you just a couple of people on the forums saying it will not work or beacus etc etc etc can't u guy just agree or disagree and not a 4 page thing saying no it will not work out just go with the forum and put out your idea if it is a yes or no

:banghead:

and some people don't know every single thing about fallout even we play it allot

You can't exactly agree to disagree with an idea that would cause both factions to throw away everything they believe in to happen.



That is pretty obvious (we all keep learning, except Styles, he teaches).

How about this. You give us an explanation, as to why two forces with the history and ideologies they have, would come together and fight as one?

It doesn't make sense, even from a creative view.

The original BoS would not work with Enclave and the Enclave are wiped out on the West Coast so there are none to work with. Lyon's small group of BoS will not work with the Enclave in DC, in fact they destroyed them yet again, and Lyon's BoS are on the right path to a faction that could be around for along time.

So that just leaves the Midwestern Brotherhood and the last remaing Enclave location in Chicago. Midwestern BoS have been in the Chicago area for over 80 years and were described as "Fallen on hard times" in Fallout 3. The Enclave for only around 35 years. Midwestern Brotherhood do let in outsiders and don't know of the Enclave. Enclave are nothing but remnants facing complete extinction with only their outpost in Chicago

So the idea of of BoS and Enclave working together could only possibly work with the MWBoS and Chicago remnants. And even then, only likely if the MWBoS are under the contol of Barnaky.

i regret even going this :swear: forum

everybody just be open minded about :fallout: :banghead:

We don't even know though, how large the Enclave's outpost in Chicago is/was. It could be just like in New Vegas, where there's hardly a handful of them left (especially if it's a big time jump), and they're just living quiet lives in their hidden away bunker/outpost, or some town? I think if we're to see the Enclave again, this time in the Midwest, they're going to be people who've assimilated in one way or another, into the communities of the Midwest.



Well you didn't even defend your point. People brought up reasonable criticism, but you just don't try to even defend.

i'm the Man without a plan i don't think of stuff right of the ground i have to think about it before even saying it because it takes me about two day's just to think of something it take about two month's just to get enough bravery just to sigh on this forum