heck my english teacher could teach me only so much i guess

30 i think it was

Yes you must collect 30 of them but there are 44 in that place.

I did it this way: I have collected 17. Then i waited 10 days and came back and collected the other 13.

Actually, the dark hidden-away corners down there are also the farthest from the bad guys, right?
Very good for your sneaking, too...

I'm having crashes even on a new character . And please, don't feed me all the "reinstall everything" because i already did.
So there it is, we're close to having a good working game, but the crashes have made it UNPLAYABLE

did you clear the game data cache after before each "reboot"?

lol, you forgot to tell him to clear the in game cache by pressing L1, L2 and square too and place the PS3 sideways. That's well known to reduce lag.

This made my day

...but anyways if you got a better suggestion lets hear it now, shall we?

I'm sorry to see even more people having the same lag/freezing problems I had with the game even after the new patch. I did a complete reinstall and started over with a new character, too, but it didn't help me either. My suggestion to those still struggling with it, and I'm saying this to be genuinely helpful and not to be facetious, is to save your last scrap of sanity by either playing something else until they get this sorted out on the PS3 or, if you plan to buy one of the new consoles when they finally drop, just resign yourself to shelving the game until some version of it comes out for the newer consoles.

That way, even if it still lags and freezes, you'll at least get to hear a better and more believable grade of excuses for the problem on the forums. "No, it's not Bethesda's awful coding, it's the console's inadequate RA...actually, you know what, it's voodoo...yep, gotta' be voodoo."

Playing something else...is not possible. !!! LOL

So far I have had one hard freeze on my original character save (played since launch) with patch 1.9. I have ran into many micro freezes where it would semi lock for about 2 seconds (mainly due to loading the area) and continue to play, and framerate stuttering.

One thing I noticed in patch 1.8 and 1.9 (don't know if it effected older patches due to me starting this quest line in patch 1.8) is that in both dark brotherhood sanctuarys the framerate would go into the picture slideshow levels (below 1fps, but these two locations are the only places I had this happen at) and last around 10-20 seconds and start playing normally, often going back into framerate fits again. I tried deleting both patch and install data and reinstalling to no effect, it would still happen.

So far I have around 30 hours of play time with patch 1.9.

I do not have any of the DLC, have over 250 hours, level 51, 14mb save.

At the dark brotherhood sanctuarys a have the same framerate drop but i would say it plays about 20-25 fps.

So not so bad like you anyway. (all 3 dlc's installed, 215 hours, level 44, 13 mb save file)

I hate to tell everyone but it is a heat issue with the PS3.I have had the same problem.If you have a can of dustoff and shoot in in the vents it cools down the system and it works much better.The core,memmory, and the power supply heat up really. bad.I now this since I have a laser thermal guage.Sorry to tell everyone.It is a PS3 problem.Hopefully Sony fixes that with the PS4

"Sorry to tell everyone.It is a PS3 problem."

with all PS3 models...???

I live in a place where everyday it's 100 degrees, my PS3 is covered in dust (I should wipe that thing) and it's sitting on top of the Surround sound receiver that gets insanely hot and I have never had an overheating problem. The thing doesn't even make noise. I think you are confusing it with an Xbox.

i take it youre an xbox player?

If you just restart the system it will happen again quickly.If you let it cool down it will work again until it heats up again.I've got almost 800 hrs playing so I do now what is causing it.I play on my PS3 by the way

heh, how old is your console exactly, and have you ever actually checked if theres anything blocking the vents on it? ...i once played Skyrim on my ps3 for about 60 hours in a row, and the console was barely warm, and i didnt have even any stuttering...

to explain the long play session, i have stress-related sleeping problems and discovered i was out of sleeping pills only when the pharmacy was already closed..

Maybe for you, but that's not the case with most here. Maybe your system is on its last leg (about to YLoD). My system is clean, and has not overheated. It doesn't matter how hot it is in my room my system has not overheated.

The older FAT format PS3 systems could suffer from heat problems but it was mainly the launch 60Gb models and none of the slim or super slim models have heat issues since they use more efficient PSU components using less power with better cooling.

Great that you have a laser thermal guage now run along before someone tells you where to put it theres a good chap.

I created a new character after 1.9 and have found that it performs (savefile: ~6mb) sort of like my level 75 character (16 mb savefile) did in 1.8. As in, there's some lag. But now it's there from the very beginning of the game.

This is something I certainly didn't experience in 1.8...

That's what i saw, coming back to Dawnguard and reporting to Gunmar.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/biv35

EEW that's horrible, it's not tearing but more like a mask that's showing where it shouldn't almost like you had a dead dragon there at some point.

It's the first time that a had this, so either way the processor or graphic card has been overheated, or something goes wrong with my HDD...

Those strange graphic artefacts normally should not be happend at all.