Welcome back "Lag" Patch 1.9

Post » Sun May 05, 2013 11:48 am

Hi Bethesda, forum members,

I've got my copy since 11-11-11, I know all the tips about how to improve the performance... and tried them all.

Some info about my system and circunstances:

- PS3 super slim 500Gb (78Gb actually in use).
- 14mb save game file size.
- Level 62.
- Autosaves OFF.
- All DLC installed, not completed.
- I've deleted all autosave files (Dragonborn ones) , cleaned the chache, reinstalled the DLC's, and installed the new patch. (I've repeated this process today reinstalling the game data).
- Waited 30 in-game days.
- Created a new save game slot.
- +12 hours of gameplay, so those old scripts can be replaced by the new ones.

My game worked " well " with 1.7 patch (I really think this patch did a good job improving the performance), a little bit worse with 1.8 (except for the extremly glitched Hearthfire) but still an acceptable performance with zero freezes. And now with this new patch, my game has become really unstable. The lag has appeared again, and it seems that the performance deteriorates as time goes on playing until it finally freezes. Exploring skyrim, every time a new cell is loading I got lag (1 - 2 seconds freezing) a lot of stuttering here and there to the point where playability results annoying, so riding a horse results just ridiculous. I can't travel fast without the dead body of a dragon, some times they are two, appearing in front of me causing more unstability.
This is a short list of all the problems I'm experiencing with this new patch, to not mention the shiny enchanting tables and items (now they are 90% more common than before), blurry textures, weird animations (I think hearthfire is causing this) and more...

So... thank you Bethesda, you ruined my experience again. Patches are supposed to be to fix things, but not to make them worse.
So basically we're again at the point at wich you got my money and all I have is a broken product.

I hope you fix this situation soon Bethesda. (excuse my bad english)
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Amy Smith
 
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 6:38 pm

Uh-oh... not good.
PS3 guys are not going to be happy about this...
We'll see if there is an 'explosion of outrage' on these forums in the next coupla days.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:19 am

Thanks for reporting this, Sus, I can definitely vouch for the game instability, too, because it crashed on me less than five hours after I installed the new patch on my second gaming session. Like you've said, it acts all choppy when entering new areas and performance gradually breaks down until it freezes. For me, the lag was brief, and it would "recover" only to start lagging again a little while later. I could live with it. But what I couldn't put up with was the game freezing and hard-locking my PS3, which it totally did...yet again.

For me, the game had serious freezing issues with the previous patches too, and I'd shelved the game for so long before trying out this patch that I can't say for sure now whether this latest patch has made the freezing issues any worse, but it certainly hasn't helped matters. But hey, legendary skills! ...if..you know, if the game responded to controller input and all...they'd be fun, I guess.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 9:17 am


Clearly we are experiencing a very similar situation PaperDragon, obiously this will be different for some people, but I've been quite agree with most of users that have reported improvements after the latest patches in this forum, because I really could appreciate them by my self. But this time I've noticed a significant deterioration in performance, so much that after a while eventually it freezes.
Thanks for commenting, this always helps
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 5:49 pm

I hade a crash today too, and a restarted my console because i I had no choice....

As for the lag, yes i had it too as i went barefood finisching some quest. I had huge lag i would say around 15 fps.

I will try finishing the game as it is, and if it gets worser, i thing i switch to another game, because it's not funny anymore.

I don't wont to delete and install again,(beginning from scratch it's a no go for me) im tired doing that, and okay i played 187 hours so far, what gives...

And consider this, a have not yet played Dragonborn, or Dawnstar, because i wanted to finish the main quests first.

Now, here comes the kicker, i play with an SSD drive installed.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:28 pm

It's working good right now...I deleted my 6 saves, i did 3 new ones, and now the lag is gone...

I had the lag near Mistwatch, in a lake with some strange Geysers coming from inside the lake.

So considering that it takes 52 sec to load my 12MB save, so either my SSD is to fast or the PS3 memory is to slow...

Either way, now i can continue my game...
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:33 pm

thats good news... maybe the people who experience lag after new patch should check if their save list needs a bit of a cleanup
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:37 pm

I really think the core of the issue here is Dawnguard, I've been experiencing the rise of bad performance ever since I installed it.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 1:58 pm

Same here.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 6:11 pm

I'm about 10% of the way into Dragonborn--I can estimate because I played it on Xbox last year--my save files, of which I have many, are now 18 meg so the first load of the day is long, maybe 30 seconds, but everything else not too bad. Haven't had a crash in weeks and only a little lag infrequently. I assure you the lag on my Xbox version was worse when I played Dragonborn. I had a lag then a complete freeze everytime i approached Sevrin manor. I had to work out this wierd workaround to get to the door without freezing. But that hasn't happened yet on my PS3 game.

The new patch seems to have had zero impact on my old game. Everything stuck in inventory is still stuck. But still very playable. Haven't tried riding Shadowmere since the new patch. Need to test that.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 3:31 pm

Ok, now my game crashes when exploring Skyrim... This patch really broke my game. Every time I play for 20-40 min I have to hard reset my system.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 9:23 am


I that happend every 20-40 minutes, then you must eventually install the whole thing again....

I would suggest install first the game data again on hdd, and if your problems persist, then you should install the DLC's aswell.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:42 pm

I did notice more hiccups, slight lag the closer I get to my Lakeview manor home. After I noticed the slight lag I decided only to build one manor per character. It would get pretty annoying having 3 full manor home's only to have these slight hiccups. It wasn't hair pulling disaster bad, then again my save file isn't huge yet. I did the 1 manor per character rule as a precaution.

Everyone blaming dawnguard, have you built every hearthfire home?
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 7:45 am


"Everyone blaming dawnguard, have you built every hearthfire home?"

I have only one house in Falkreath, maybe a build another one if i am in good mood. (lol)
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 3:22 pm

It's all too confusing. Some say patch 1.9 improved their game performance, other say it ruined it... I think I'll never be sure if I should get it.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 2:52 pm


You know what my friend, that's the big problem with SKYRIM.

it behaves differently in any of us, so it's difficult to adopt any kind of a position.

What work's to somebody, don't work to somebody else. (And all that because bethesda was unable to make a proper transfer to the consoles)

So we are actually beta testers now,
with all the negatives following...

So the game will be always glitchy, except somebody will write it from scratch again, and this will never happen.!!!
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 2:44 pm


Well don’t know about everyone else, I was experiencing this before patch 1.9. I downloaded patch 1.9 last night, but have had no time to try it out. So possibly what you are experiencing has nothing to do with the patch.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 5:27 pm


Well, I have had zero crashes with 1.8 patch and my game ran really well. After installing 1.9 patch my game started to crash, getting hard lag into a loaded cell.
If the new patch isn't the problem, then what's causing this?

I totally agree...

@titus001

I have only built Falkreath's house.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 4:23 pm

The save file load time is not just for your 12MB file. Your file is pointing to other resources that must be figured out, allocated and initialized.

Your SSD is most likely too fast for your PS3, which iirc is a SATA-I controller. So the best you can get is 150MBps. But that is fine and dandy, just know disk access speed is not the bottleneck when loading content for you. I also have an SSD, I bought the cheapest one I could find that had TRIM support built-in because the PS3 really can't use all the speed of newer drives.

yeah, I have been fortunate to avoid the really frequent and terrible stuff, but since DG there has definitely been negative trend in performance for either of my two toons I have been playing.

My characters that are doing DG have not built anything from HF.

I just finished DG with my level 37 orc (110 hours, 13MB save after finishing DG and DB). My level 33 (9mb, 60hours) vampire is just about 30% into it from the other side.

Both are having FPS hits and I have had a couple of lockups, one that required disconnecting the power to the PS3. Neither soft reset, nor the power button would even work!

That said, my Orc was made on patch 1.2, I think - it was a long time ago, and is still imo pretty playable for and no problems with a couple hours session.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:10 pm

Could be the DLC's, could be the difference between a slim or a Fat PS3 or even where the PS3 was made. All I know is that the problems you put with 1.9 are the ones I have been having with patch 1.8 with DLC's.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 1:42 pm


The PS3 has a SATA150 controller that's true, and btw the PS3 operating system does not support TRIM as well...
But the access time is low as 0.1ms, and that's a good think.

But you can read here a nice article about how an SDD drive stand's out against SKYRIM
Could a Drive Upgrade Have "Cured" Skyrim PS3 Lag?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-ssd-upgrades-boost-ps3-performance
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 8:11 pm

Good article that and tallies with what several of us discussed on here at great length many many months ago and even confirmed after a couple of people added SSD's and reported the results.

It's slightly outdated now as the PS4 has been announced to be packing 8Gb GDDR5 RAM for main memory coupled with a dedicated GPU we will have to see if the BR drive will be a bottleneck but if it is there is always the digital version of most games to be had.

I don't see the HDD as being much of a bottleneck as many games will be memory resident.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 12:43 pm


It makes me wonder will be the new PS4 compatible with an SSD drive.????

btw. the new blu-ray rom from PS4 will be 3x times faster that the PS3 version...
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 3:24 pm


I think they still plan to make the HDD user upgradeable so there will be no problem adding an SSD but as the article highlights you only get a measurable consistent speed increase when large contiguous data blocks are transferred over the data bus. Real world gaming performance gains are going to be minimal especially with the new consoles high speed RAM.

By the way Mark, how do you find time to play Skyrim at all, seems you spend all your time on here LOL.
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Post » Sun May 05, 2013 10:04 pm


LOL, that's true, but i do it gladly...

btw i answered to the other topic "All my bugs/glitches (there's a few)" as best i cane and it took me perhaps 30 minutes...Ufff...lol
and i have my PS3 figure spinning around some time now...

i do the "a return to your roots" quest, and i must say it's the most frustrating quest i ever made.

Collect Crimson Nirnroot in Blackreach...what a joke. lol
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