I find it hilarious how some people think that there's ever been a video game released that hasn't had bugs. Every single video game ever released has had bugs, and every one of them from now until eternity will have bugs. Also, generally the larger and grander the game, the more bugs it has. It's unavoidable. It's Murphy's Law, the one true Law in the whole universe. Even a fully officially patched Oblivion, with all the Unnofficial Oblivion Patches installed still has plenty of bugs. Fact of the matter is, some times, a bug fix patch, even produces bugs, Point in Case: Look at the backwards flying dragons in Skyrim 1.2. Even Blizzard, a gaming company that rakes in at least $150,000,000 a month, produces games with plenty of bugs. Perfection is to be strived for, but never achieved.

Exactly. Humans aren't computers. We are capable of making mistakes in code. I also have a few friends who program for a living. Bugs are going to happen. Get over it. Unless you can implant a perfected critical thinking / calculation type thought process in a human being, you're going to experience bugs.

Even computers can make mistakes, if it's in their programming or they glitch.

I do sympathise with the OP. Losing a character you've invested time in, is upsetting, and I don't blame their first reaction of anger.

However, multiple save games are always a must, especially on the PS3 where we know the save games are a little funky.

However, there is definitely a lack of awareness about how complex this game is. It does a very good job of appearing simple, but the complexity of it is staggering. In any complex computer program, you will encounter 'ghosts in the machine', and these can be caused by such a combination of things, that not just playtesting will ever be able to cover it.

Some things, like the PS3 lag bug, which occurs on every machine eventually, should have been caught, because its not a rare bug, its with every single machine.

Games like Dark Souls, while outwardly similar, are many many degrees more simplistic than Skyrim on many levels, and its easier to playtest that sort of thing.

I'm not trying to be a bethesda apologist, but some things are taken way out of context with a strong degree of overreaction.

Here we go again on this topic as well... I am never one to complain about bugs or minor glitches and most the time they go unnoticed by me. This game however, it has become so bad that I literally cross my fingers every time I hit a load screen. I cross my fingers every time I enter my home half-expecting to see it look like the mafia was sent to collect my debt. I have experienced more game-breaking glitches than I can count. Had two yesterday alone.

-First one was in the College of Winterhold. A dragon attacked during my tour and after we killed it, ole what's-her-face now just stands there like she's suffering from shell-shock from the event. She won't speak to me or continue the quest. Had to revert to an old save and pray the dragon didn't attack again.

-Second was on my return from a 3-quest journey. I returned to Whitern only to have everyone in town wanting to kill me. What did I do!? I had no bounty! If there's one Hold I keep my nose clean in it's Whiterun and its surrounding areas.

I am willing to accept the fact that the PS3 is difficult to program code for, but I do believe selling a product that is broken or flawed is no different than a con-man scamming someone out of their money. They knew the game wasn't ready for launch (atleast on the PS3)

Nice troll. 9/10.

Be was t having problems either until his game bugged.

I can't expect Betheada to have everything perfect but seriously, these are not hardware bugs on the pc where you have a thousand hardware configurations. These are problems in the game itself and something play tasting should have uncovered.

And telling someone who lost a high level character to svck it up is trolling. No, it's not like losing a child but it's certainly worse than getting stopped by a train when late for work.

I've had my game freeze at a door, I push that middle button on my controller to go to my xbox live but don't, return to the game and I'm outside.

Lol, go out the window instead of the door.

I'm trying to find a way to get into Riften... Everytime I go... I don't know, maybe 50km(?) near it, my game CTD.

Don't count on Bethesda fixing your game. Their number-one interest is them, not you. They have your money. Forget about making your game experience the best it can be. Their bean counters are doing little cost-benefit anolyses to find the level of quality that returns the highest profit. Good-enough is the bottom line. They will fix some issues to support the illusion that they actually care. Then they will turn to their business developers and marketers to see what can be done to acquire even more of you money in the future.

There is no solution for you unfortunatly only 1. PLay the game ,hit the save button sometime.I have a question...what level are you ,and i think you make me believe that you level up smithing just by getting leather stripes and ore.Does that mean that you didn't
do quests at all just wandering about/
I believe that when you adventure in dungeons and loot everything without beeing directed there and pick up quest items sometimes the game f c k s upMaybe you should try to play the game and level up normally.

No, That is wrong. the Pc version is the worst. They Destroyed the game with 1.3. I Crash to desktop literally every 5-20 minutes. and this is only a character with 3 hours of play time. everytime they release a patch it makes it worse. and its not a isolated thing its happening to tons of pc players

Why are people asking if s/he's on PC? S/he posted this in the PS3 section!

Sorry hear about your problem dude, but I'm even more sorry that Bethesda wont get about to helping this till like next year.

Okay, no ones complaining that Skyrim has bugs!

It's the fact that the bugs make the game UNPLAYABLE! And it really seems like Bethesda knew all about it. Geeze, ya silly goose! If the bugs were minor, like they are in most games, no one'd care, we'd just shrug it off, but some have affected the story and have rendered the game almost impossible to play! Now I don't know about you, but I think that's unacceptable.

Ohhh.... But the game is very much broken. Where have you been living for the last month or soo?
Please, im' getting tired of people commenting, with a 20 hour gametime. I mean, come on...
Just play the game for a couple of more ours, and we will talk again when you're stranded in
Whiterun/Markart (or anywhere else for that matter), and not being able to move...

Yes, a games do have bugs/glitches and so on. Some of them being quite fun. And yes, patching makes these
glitches go away. Some of them, like the Read Dead Redemption bungy glitch, even with some sadness.
But in Skyrim we are talking gamebraking glitches, that should have been caught in the QA.
So don't give me that [censored] [censored] [censored].

Alot of anger in this thread ... Alot of people spouting [censored] as well.

Just to clean it up a little: Hes playing on the PS3, hence why hes in the PS3 section. Those claiming that skyrim is "held back" support wise by the PSN/XBL certification period are speaking out their ass, as anyone with a slightest bit of intelligence would know that the verification period happens after the patch is made, not during it, so tbh.. the patch has to be there to be certified, a process that is the sole responsibility of bethesda to sort out.

No one is moaning that there are bugs, what they are moaning at is if you design a game around a platform (in this case the Xbox) then you do the smart thing and design it to work within the confines of that platform. The issue we are seeing is because someone decided to extend the confines of that platform thinking it would be fine, hell its only a number anyway right?.




This made me cry a little inside, your awfully closed minded to think that PC gamers are the focus of games companies these days. A good 80+% of the market is consoles now. Sorry, enjoy your ports.

Hey I kinda agree but its also about scale.

If I go through mcdonalds and get food and they mess up the order sometimes I go back and get the right order or just eat it anyway if i was only charged for the mistake they gave me.
But if I go out for a fancy dinner with the wife and order a 200 dollar meal, Steak and lobster with wine etc and they mess it up. I expect to be treated accordingly. Take my meal back make it right and give me a discount off my meal for the wait.

If your a fair minded person the waiter should still get a tip if the service was good. Its not the servers fault the food was bad.

I am shocked at the amount of posts where people are like " games have bugs" or " This is just how it is" Seriously talk about setting the bar low. Name another product you would
cool with having this amount of bugs a month in.

If you had a flat screen Tv with poor picture quality and or issues with frame rates dropping due to a faulty refresh timing board . Now imagine you post on the forums about your issue and some random user replies " HEY my TV works great , Your justa baby , quite your crying ! TV's are complex peices of electronics , just look for the silverlining, you didn't have to pay for your new coffee table." would you even acknowledge this person. Or continue to press the company for a reply or solution.

In my personal experience with issues like this. You get more results when you nag nag nag until someone gives in and shuts you up or they fix the problem.

Calm down lol, all they are saying is that some of us are not experiencing any problems. I've got about 50 hours on and have only found one bug. Even of I had found more it wouldn't matter...with a game that's so freaking huge, I would not expect it to be perfect. In my opinion, Bethesda has outdone themselves I'm slightly appalled at some of the reactions on this board lol it's not like Bethesda killed your first born!!! Just give it time guys! I'm sure they will sort it all out.

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What a useful and constructive comment.

I agree with you. It's because this people are asking for graphics Bethesda listens to them. Morrowind never was about graphics or all this new engines.

This is why i didn't want a new Engine. I just wanted the old Gamebryo Engine.

I don't crash every 5-20 mins. So I fail to see how they "ruined" my game with that patch. They'll solve that issue. Until then, save often. I'm nearing 200 hours of play time across 4 characters. I have not hit half of the issues brought to my attention here. I've crashed, sure, but its been like 4-5 times total. Unless i start alt-tabbing every 20 mins. Then I hit an issue where I start not seeing flames or fire effects. Dang. Now I need to spend 3 mins reopening my game. Oh NOz!

Pff haha. It's about as constructive as I need to be. People are all victims. The game was released when it was. Most people say it shouldn't have been released yet due to bugs. Ok, whats the difference, aside from money, in it not being released until later, and you just waiting for Bethesda to patch a couple of times. They both accomplish the same task in the same amount of time. Hypothetically of course. Problem solved. Now you can have your release date, and I can have my Skyrim.

I feel for the OP. I do. However, in purchasing a game you sort of... unofficially agree to acknowledge that there are going to be some bugs / issues. As you can see, some of these issues are specific to certain people and not an entire group. There are variables in bug fixes. Especially for PC gamers and all the different systems out there. I'm sure other issues arise in trying to patch for a console. Bethesda is sorry for these issues. I am sure they aren't doing it on purpose. Be patient, they will resolve the issue.

I do not come to the PS3 forums to see how the PC version is panning out. I registered an account to share my experiences with other PS3 players of Skyrim, in the hopes of gleaning insight into why the game I purchased has become unplayable. In my humble opinion, your comments are nonconstructive, in that they belong in the PC section of the Skyrim forum. While I have not found much insight into why Skyrim is broken for me personally, I have found camaraderie with others who share similar problems, and I thank them for sharing their experiences. To mock and victimize people who are frustrated with a version of a game you are not playing yourself, is very uncouth.

If you constantly keep your expectations low then you will never be disappointed. This seems to be the running trend as of lately and that's a damn shame. My game is broke, plain and simple. Games do come out with bugs and the patch system is in place to address minor bugs and glitches. The patch system isn't in place for companies to use it for, what can be considered as, beta testing.. Bethesda rushed out a game that wasn't finished correctly because they wanted to meet a deadline. That is unacceptable anywhere, and needs to be addressed and companies that do that need to be held accountable. The size of the game is no excuse. And restricting the play of the game to just doing certain quests and not others is not the way the game was meant to be played. Suggestions like those are the same as making an excuse on Bethesda's behalf. Making suggestions like buying an SSD or restricting the way you play also provides excuses for Bethesda to hide behind. Sorry but I paid $63 for a game that doesn't work for me and doesn't work for others. Regardless who is the minority this is a problem that needs to be addressed and not just by providing patches. The fact is that this game won't be fixed right after the holidays and it won't be until late Feb. until we see an improvement and that's unacceptable. (use logic, they are taking 3 weeks off and the 1.3 patch isn't address the lag or freezing issues. Also if they aren't working for 3 weeks then the start of the next patch won't be until almost mid Jan.). Bethesda shouldn't be left off the hook.

I honestly don't even know why i even have this piece of crap game. It's easily one of the worst games ever made. No game should have this many bugs, and no game should just abruptly end because of some lagging problem. There are problems in almost every area of the game from minor bugs to broken quests, stats, etc. Just because the game looks pretty doesn't make it good. Is this even a game, or some slide-show about the wilderness? If this turd wins any GOTY awards, i'm gonna stop following gaming media forever.
[censored] Skyrim, i' m gonna go start Skyward Sword again and go to heaven with that nearly perfect experience.