Were the Ayleids internally divided and did Men and Minotaur

Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:07 pm

Two question have puzzled me for quite a long time, and I finally decided to post it here.



Before Oblivion, from what I read about Wild Elves, I thought they were... well, wild being, enjoying a very intimate relationship with Nature.

However, they built the imperial city, and I discovered in Oblivion that some Ayleid delved into sophisticated, pervert pleasure - think to what has been said to happen in Sercen or Vindasel...

How to explain this dichotomy? Do you think the Humans, as they won the war, rewrote the History in a way that is more favourable to the winners, so that they appeared as more vertuous, while their opponents would be depicted as monsters?

Or is it possible that Ayleids were internally divided. That is, there would have been two castes, a wild one and an urban one. While the former would consider themselves as the true Elves and the other side as lost fellows drifting towards an unforgiveable perversion, the latter would consider themselves as noble, and the wild ones as unrefined peasants with no more value than their human cattle.



My other question arises from the fact that Morihaus was the lover of Almalexia. Morihaus was described as a divine winged bull. Could it be a clue that Men en Minotaurs entered into an alliance to fight their Ayleid oppressors? Brenus Astis said Minotaurs were once believed to be intelligent. Perhaps there was indeed, in Alessian times, a clan of intelligent Minotaurs...

But then, how to explain their disappearance? And why was Morihaus winged? Were there winged Minotaurs, or was Morihaus some Minotaur deity adopted by Humans during the alliance?



Are these hypotheses completely frenzied, absolutely crazy and totally unfounded, or is it possible that there is something true in these?
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:21 am

History will always be written by the winners, and humanity isn't necessarily the most honest race (See the 1st PGE) so its very possible that the Ayleid's could have been a victim of some miss-truth and demonizing, but then again, they were slave owning Elves so it wouldn't surprise me if there was quite a bit of truth to it as well. I believe Morihaus was more of a divine individual, a special case if you will, and I wouldn't figure there would have been more like him, plus I don't remember reading anything that mentions any other minotaurs joining up with the human populace.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:02 am

The union of Alessia and Morihaus was Belharza the Man-Bull, iirc. He was said to have the head of a bull on the body of a man. However, I am unaware of any race of minotaurs in Tamriel, at any time.
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Post » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:45 am

The Wild Elves as they are in the 3rd era (or late in 2920) are not the Ayleids that built the White Gold and enslaved men. The Wild Elves are, at least biologically, what little is left of that nation, but hardly representative of it. The 1st era Ayleids were slavers, racist, and perverse hedonists. The degree to which they were these things varied, of course, and there were doubtlessly some who didn't care for slavery ("they took our jobs" rather than "it isn't right") or flesh statues. However, half the population didn't prance around in forest saving pregnant women.

Morihaus was the son of Kyne, the air goddess, hence he is winged (the bull is a symbol of masculine power and fertility). The son of Morihaus and Alessia is called Belharza the Man-Bull, and could theoretically have been a Minotaur. I'm not really fond of that theory, though. I remember writing (or reading?) a thing about how Minotaurs are the products of horny Nedes trying to imitate Alessia - props to anyone who finds that for me.
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