Vampires were way too glitched in oblivion. My face would become all messed up after loading my save and it didn't make much sense that you become more and more powerful without feeding. It should have been a time basis, not feeding.


Werewolves were cool in bloodmoon..I had no complaints. Hopefully they'll pay attention to all the minor details and there won't be a ton of glitches

It does make sense. Those vampire made a deal with Clavicus Vile. The deal was each time they starved themselves, they became stronger, but in doing so, they looked more and more like their natural selves. Which was bad, because their primary skill is blending in with society.

Reminds me of a human in real life having a bond to a dog, bond being heartfelt and unbreakable friendship.

Actually glad to see this evil prince have friends (werewolf pack). Yes, he is an evil character but due to the bond of werewolves he appears as if to have another side. lol, "I don't give a crap about humans, but werewolves are my kin" sort of theory.



Hope so :celebration:

Gameplay-wise, it didn't make much sense. You become a vampire, but then to get the power of a vampire, you have to not act like a vampire. It should've worked the otherway around. If they didn't feed, then they look more normal and blend in better (but with increased inner turmoil; stronger nightmares, hunger pains, general weakness, etc). When they do feed to sate their hunger, then they look grotesque and become stronger.

"It does make sense. Those vampire made a deal with Clavicus Vile. The deal was each time they starved themselves, they became stronger, but in doing so, they looked more and more like their natural selves. Which was bad, because their primary skill is blending in with society."


It doesn't make gameplay sense. I wanted to either feed more or become more powerful after enough time passed...even gameplay years if necessary. This especially won't make sense to casual to normal es fans that don't read into the lore behind everything

when this moment comes, we will be ready :nuke:

A female vampire? Looks more like a demonette of Slaanesh! If it isn't, I'm still going to cut it to bits with axes.

Agreed


posts, I meant posts I just got to the 1k mark with all the threads


:3

Hircine: "Hircine, the hunter, is probably best known as the father of all Were creatures or 'manbeasts'. His sphere is the hunt, the sport of Daedra, the sacrifice of mortals. Every once in a while, a ritual hunt is performed in the realm of Tamriel that is known as the Bloodmoon Prophecy. During this hunt, mortals are hunted by Hircine's minions - mostly Werewolves - and those that are unlucky enough to survive the ordeal then face the Prince himself.

Although hunting mortals certainly does not qualify him as a particularly benevolent Prince, Hircine can not be counted as one of the evil Daedra. The scope of his own hunts is limited, and hunting in and of itself is an activity many mortals enjoy just as much as the Prince himself."

Other than that, I agree with you

And to the others, well, a deal is a deal as Clavicus Vile would of said it. And how does it not make sense gameplay wise? If it does lore wise? Sure, it may not appeal to many, but it's still something.

If they don't add werewolves I am going to cry and cry and cry and cry.

Werewolves were the best thing to ever be in a elder scrolls game, being a werewolf in bloodmoon is one of the best gaming experiences I ever had.

If Bethesda decides not to add vampires and werewolves, I'm going to be one disappointed gamer.. I would be soooooo let down.. so let down.. SO LET DOWN!

Werewolves would fit in so well with Skyrim..

PLEASE HAVE WEREWOLVES IN SKYRIM!

Were Cyrodiil's vampires described as being like they are, anywhere before Oblivion? If that deal with Clavicus Vile came about with the game, the lore would be just as flexible as the gameplay (until the game was actually finished).

Gameplay wise, they had the mechanics backwards, like I mentioned before. You become a vampire, but don't get to really enjoy the power of being a vampire unless you stop acting like one (ie, stop feeding on people). When you do want to play like a vampire, then you lose all the power of one.

Ah and my mistake of my previous reply of being evil. But yes, you would think a daedra who is fond of creatures would not be evil.

Speaking of enjoy, I did like the Hircine's Hunt quest in Bloodmoon. Maze arena being populated with werewolves and Tharsten Heart-Fang turning into a werewolf via Hircine's Ring was unexpected first time around. I do remember Rite of the Wolf Giver quest and did like the witch as a raven, but decided not to cure myself. Being a werewolf was too fun and enjoyable.



This :celebration:

this will, in fact, be awesome :intergalactic:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum

"On Our Dual Patrons:

To Kin-father Molag Bal, who brought forth the Bloodmatron Lamae to spite Arkay, we owe our existence, as do all vampires, though not all honor Him. For him we revel in the feast, and acknowledge the gift adrift in our veins. To patron Clavicus Vile, beacon oer our affairs, we owe our successes and social stature. Our bond with Vile makes us unique among our kind, for his guidance steels our savage craving with reason and savvy. For him we live amidst mankind, and twist them to our will from offices of power."

So, the bond with the Daedric Prince steels their savage craving with reason and savvy. In more simple words, they feed without the "Orgiastic" abandon like crazy blood-addicted vampires. And the "For him we live amidst mankind, and twist them to our will from offices of power" is a good reason to believe they live to manipulate people and they can only do so by feeding.

"And maintain supple appearance through satisfaction of the thirst."-

If they want to walk among the living, they have to blend in, only then can they not be hunted down and shunned by humans. But what if the vampire wanted to be stronger, faster and more powerful than normal? He would have to undergoe painful days of starvation from blood and otherwise risk exposing himself/herself to society and even burning in the light of the sun, but nevertheless, they are more powerful, at a price. This is where we can speculate that Clavicus Vile did indeed alter their bloodline, but the price for being able to masquerade themselves and even walk during the day is that they must suffer if they want more power.

But if I see you're point about the gameplay! I somewhat understand. The backwards gameplay is a bit confusing. Like you said, they must be something different than they really are to be more powerful...something entirely different, but they know what they are. Kinda like the Story of the Masque of Clavicus Vile, where the woman had his mask to cover her uglyness, she knew she was horrid in the eyes of many, but she lived as if she was attractive, she adopted a new life until Clavicus Vile claimed back his masque.

Yes, it doesn't make much sense: become the most powerful vampire by simply not feeding yourself. I also hope vamps don't generally look like the pic that is out now of the female looking vamp

Yea, that was an awesome hunt. And who knew Thirsten Heart-Feng was a werewolf? He probably tried to hide it with Hircine's ring. I kept my Lycanthropy too. Too much a gift than a curse, as the speech option had it: "No thanks, I would rather keep my gift of Lycanthropy".

We saw Dagon's realm and Sheogorath's realm, but I really want to see Hircine's realm. We know a few things about it, who hunts in it, but it can be improved. And the rivers in his realm might be blood! And it has a single moon.

Sounds like heaven.. or hell, whichever way you look at it.

Yeah. Heaven for whoever hunts with Hircine, and hell for any mortal there. Well, some. Hircine spared a fellow that ventured there.

And, good night. I'm going to bed. Be back tommorow.

I'm so afraid they won't have werewolves in Skyrim

I would be so disappointed

That book's from Oblivion. I mean something that showed up before that described them that way. If there's nothing there, then that piece of lore with Clavicus was most likely added for Oblivion, so they weren't locked into those mechanics.

Does anyone else thinking about how the Vampires in Skyrim will be affected by other things like: Sun, Holy Crap and all the guards spotting a vampire in town.
Not that I would complain but If these are weakness are the bane of these Vamps that will show up, would it be sweet to make deals with the deadric princes like clavicus or molag whatever. To attain abilities to help overlooking these Disadvantages; or at least find a loophole.
Cause imo i'd like to at least have a chance to stay a vamp while togging thru Skyrim leaving dead dragons laying about.
But i guess that could be post game idk

In the behind the scences of Skyrim video with Todd Howard, after Todd shows us the giant sticker Skyrim map, he moves on to the concept art on the wall and in the middel is what looks like a Werewolf faceing the front and one facing the back, I don't like the looks of the werewolfs in Skyrim they look to skinny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlF4gAO9FNI at 3:01 in the video puase it and look at the picture of the 2 werewolfs below that town. they are standing up and have a werewolf like head and claws.

Too human, looks like armor, and the description at the top of the pic def doesnt say werewolf

I hope it's not tacked on like in OB with the vampires. There was no reason to be a vampire in that game, although I did become one once by accident. Kind of a funny story.

I was so scarred by it that whenever I would enter a vampire den i'd make sure to drink 2 or 3 cure disease potions after I got out and then i'd pray at some temple. That's how much I avoided it in that game. I want to want to be a vampire this time.