Dang I don't have that ((inking pic now lol)) it will be my profile pic

hell no cirodiil vamps were gay, pink-eye'd albino, stupid, morrowind vamps, now that was a vampire, white eye, evil voice distortion.

so that was daggerfall I was told by someone else it was morrowind. Now I know.

The gameplay was gay. But the lore was good. Vampires who can walk among living people, manipulating the politicians and merchants and society..they worship Molag Bal and Clavicus Vile, civilized creatures instead of crazy white eyed, savage beasts like Quarra. Equally as dangerous and skillfull. And the fact that Cyrodiil had only ONE clan means they ousted and fought back any other Clan. Cyrodiilic vampire clan FTW!

yeah maybe your right, but i am more of a evil persona of character, and like the evil one better, which is why i want to be a lich, it just appeals more to me than anything else, and besides you could cast a spell to conceal your nature and interact with anyone and complete quests still
EDIT: anyway the skyrim vamps that are mentioned in texts are nothing like cirodiil vamps they are very anti-social except to feed and are able to reach their hands to grab you through ice without breaking the ice, so mi can see them being very scary, unlike there cousins if cirodiil

They're all predators, nothing evil about them. They need to kill to survive. Simple. I don't believe in evil anyways.

they entire existance of a vampire is evil exept for the aundae clan and i dont care what you think about it, its the fact
EDIT: they were created by molag bal and his intentions behind the creation were anything but good

No. Would you call a lion evil if it attacks and eats a human? Or perhaps a wolf who chases down a deer to kill it, would it be evil? No, that's a fact and that is no different to what vampires do; Kill for food. That in of itself is not evil.

Evil is a label used by ththose who feel threatened, in this case, mortals from the ES universe, who fear vampires because they are at the bottom of the food chain, which is why they hunt vampires down. Not so different from a farmer who chases a pack of wolves down because it ate his sheep.

EDIT: Why would you classify the vampires evil with the exception of the Aundae clan?

because molag bal created them to toy and kill humans their entire creation was to harm the human race for his amusemant, and the aundae clan are a clan of vamps that were turned but dont choose to be and have been able to keep a little left of there human nature which is why they choose to feed off animals and not people, basically if you become a vampire and decide not to cope with it a humanely way like feeding off animals but instead feed off the living then you are evil, or you could just stay up till sun up and kill your self that would be a humanely thing to do at least you can die with the satisfaction knowing you died without taking life>
EDIT: and a lion is a wild animal created from mundus, vamps are an abomination created by a sick humered daedra that loves to see the misery of all around him

It does not matter why you are, but it does matter what you do. Vincent Valtieri was a vampire and he was downright friendly. Sure he gave you contracts on people to kill but he wasn't evil.

if your involved in anyones death and are just cool with it, calm and cold you are EVIL look in our society today? if you gave an assassin a contract to kill someone, say a grandma of four like the db quest without feeling remorse you are inhuman and should have your balls nailed to a stump and pushed backwards

EDIT: oh and yeah hes downright friendly cause hes with the same class ass murderers and pigs, if you go to jail and start acting all friendly and nice your gonna wake up with a busted face and a very sore ass

Actually, Molag Bal created vampires to spite Arkay, who was too prideful of the cycle of life and death, so Molag Bal created the vampire so mock Arkay's rythm. Which a vampire is neither dead nor alive. Janus Hassildor is a vampire and he feeds on people, I wouldn't label him evil as he respects his mortal subjects, but still needs to live as he needs. Feeding off animals is onis optional, but not beneficial. They need to quench the thirst for human blood. Like animals, mortals are just part of nature, part of the food chain.

Take werewolves for example, if they do not devour a person once they transformed, they risk death in the morning. Why? Because they did not keep themselves healthy as they should and because Daedrid Prince Hircine demands a human sacrifice. Some may say that's evil, but look at it on the human side. We hunt animals for either food or plain sport and amusemant, would we be called evil for it? Hardly, because we are superior. Now, change the tables, if you were an animal being hunted for food or for sport, you would call the hunters evil because you(The person in general) feels threatened.

EDIT: As much as I would love to continue, we can't, because it's not on the topic of werewolves in Skyrim.

ok but nevertheless they are created to defy gods and harm the living if that isnt evil i dont know what is

This is Werewolves&Vampires so since you were talking about Vampires I do not think it is off topic maybe the good n evil part but who cares..If you are enjoying it than continue on here or take it to PM if you do so dear

i was thinking of this earlier and i think i got a pretty good idea
so you can either become a werewolf or vampire, and you have a series of quests involving either one. you'd be working against the opposite faction and trying to eliminate them from skyrim.
there could also be some kind of monster hunting faction that hunts down vampires and werewolves. part of the questline could involvetrying to get rid of them as well.
also, i don't think that argonians or khajiit becoming werewolves makes sense seeing as they are already beasts. if you are able to become a werewolf in skyrim, they shouldnt be able too

WHAT THE HECK! Were-sharks! COME ON! Golly you should have added were-owls you might have been taken more seriously. I can't believe you said were-sharks. I'm embarrassed just reading those words. However all the rest of it, more particularly lore-related things, sure.

Were-sharks are still rumored to be...rumors. We only know of the werebear, the werewolf and the wereboar. The rest remains to be seen.

Yes and I only addded in were-sharks just to add it in for others, I have heared of all of the others but they are only rumors to me and the weremanpigowl thing is just made up and stupid so there is no way I will put that in

You seem to be under the impression that the gods are good. They have no alignment, they just are.


There's also a strong case that vampirism was created by Vaermina not Bal.

Where would that source be? Many sources have it that Molag Bal created vampirism. From a nedic virgin named Lamae. While there are many versions of how Molag Bal created vampirism, the nedic virgin is likely since it's mentioned twice in ES literature.

Anyone else a little nervous about what he said in the interview? He knows people all want cross bows and spear, and if we dont get them (sounds like we wont get em), werewolves and vamps might face a similar fate :cryvaultboy: He must know everyone wants them but might not include them anyways...

Speaking of the Cyrodiil clan. I hope both the the Volkihar and the Cyrodiil clan are present.
The Volkihar would be more powerful, but the Cyrodiil vampires would still be able to talk to people.

As for a "Conceal true nature spell" screw that, you become a monster, deal with it.

Yea, that had me on red alert. Vampires i'm sure they will be in the game, they always where. But werewolves are different, more rare than vampires, even in lore. Shoot...if spears and bows risk a chance of not being included....then werewolves, who require different animations?

/facepalm, well, we never know until we get the information. I still cling on hope that I will be able ti beat the Main Quest as a Lycanthropic hero/anti-hero(Yes, I want infamy points!)


Oh yes. It's a new era, remember? And two centuries after Oblivion, who knows what the Order is up to. From their tenets, it's hinted they don't stay in one place for a long time.

"Ours is a civil fraternity, to which we are bound - every one - by our dual hunger for flesh and influence. By the virtue of Imperial structure and bureaucracy, Cyrodiil has become our stronghold in the third era, and we suffer no savage rivals within our boundries."

But then again, this could mean their rise to power began in the Third Era and they wiped out all rival clans in Cyrodiil and took over. But since there are two sides in Skyrim, one pro-Empire and the other not, there could be a member of the Order of Cyrodiil's vampires manipulating both sides to further their agendas.

Molag Bal states specifically in Morrowind that he gets the cure from Vaermina. Upon transformation into vampire you have nightmares.(And continue to have them)

It's quite possible that Vaermina created it and Molag was the first to spread it.

Well even if there was just one Cyrodiil vampire in Skyrim, because s/he was on an adventure or something, that would be fine with me. As long as the option is there.
And I really hope they will allow the Volkihar to do everything they can in the lore.