The blast from the death ray from the space ship in FO:3 would have taken care of chicago anyway wouldnt it?

I'm pretty sure that was just put in as a joke and it's non-canon. I can't see Bethesda simply wiping out an area for future games like that for the sake of a joke.

Also, that was targeted at Detroit/Canada, wasn't it?

I don't see why it would not be considered canon... And I think the blast had a huge if I remember right. They could say it was a sim I guess since you don't lose any karma for it...

To be honest, it strikes me that in not too long a time, the EBoS will be the only Brotherhood left. Both the Brotherhood and Outcasts mention they'd lost contact with the West Coast some time ago, and in New Vegas we learn the Brotherhood fought a disastrous war against the NCR and are in full retreat. The Mojave Brotherhood are cowering in a bunker like frightened rabbits when you come across them.

Given the choices of New Vegas, and the power of the region, I suspect the West Coast Brotherhood of Steel will fall completely in short order. This is further reinforced by the fact Bethesda shipped the final Maxson to the East. That suggests to me that the East Coast Brotherhood is going to be the "Legit" Brotherhood in the future.

Nah, it was targeted at Canada, specifically the area where Toronto is. I looked at the blast a while back and the screenshots I took of it revealed that it definitely hit somewhere in the Toronto region. The dust cloud did reach across the great lakes but the main target was in Canada.

That said, I doubt it will be canon. And if it is, it will be a really lame story idea. "Let me tell you the story of Ronto... which, after being obliterated in the Great War, rebuilt itself and became a formidable force in the East... until The Lone Wanderer was abducted and blew it all up with a death ray."

I view Mothership Zeta as one giant Random Encounter in the vein of finding the crashed Starfleet Shuttle in Fallout 1, or going through the Guardian of Forever and breaking Vault 13's Water Chip in Fallout 2.

I forgot all about this!

I can see it now...

Fallout 4

(insert middle American town here)
News of the destruction of there west coastern brothers Lyon's BoS marches west to deal with the threat of the upstart NCR as their grasp spreads ever eastward.
You are... The Outsider who is thrust between these war'ing nations...

The death ray firing at the Earth IS NOT CANON.

That is something the player can CHOOSE to do; you are not REQUIRED to do it to advance MZ's main quest.

I view that as very similar to the nuking of Megaton; it's an extremely destructive action the player can choose to execute, but it's very unlikely to be part of the actual canon storyline.

I'd say East Coast BoS. The West Coast BoS isn't helping humanity rebuild by taking all of the tech and keeping it for themselves. They're doing humanity a dis-favor. The East Coast BoS is all about helping the local populace, sharing tech, and teaching people how to correctly use it. I understand that your trying to keep humanity from repeating its past, and I'm all for that, but there comes a time when you need to educate the people in order to prevent the past. Overall, the East Coast BoS is just doing the correct thing. Thus, they win.

Lyons brotherhood would easily win , they have adapted to their surroundings, they have huge recruit base from the capital wasteland, They have large stockpiles of Enclave technology .
As for weapons, it cannot be compared , they would more or less be the same..

A brotherhood who has made huge goodwill in the capital wasteland, controls the most powerful resource in the wasteland i.e water knows the location where the super mutants are being bred within in 10 years the Lyons brotherhood will be masters of the capital wasteland outnumbering or even out gunning the the other brotherhood.Future prospects of west coast brotherhood are weak coz of their short sightedness in not recruiting people from outside.Brotherhood unless it adopts Lyons strategy won't survive for more than 50 years. They will be gulped by NCR,Legion,Enclave etc...

Imagine a faction with a lotta technology lotta enemies like NCR,Legion,Enclave and a fooolish policy of not recruiting people from outside = Dead West BOS

TBH

IF MOJAVE BROTHERHOOD FACED LYON'S BROTHERHOOD

CW BROTHERHOOD WOULD WIN

CAUSE MOJAVE BROTHERHOOD ISN'T AS STRONG BCUZ NCR OWNED THEM AT HELIOS ONE

The west coast BOS is almost completely wiped out. The east coast is growing in power. Especially after the events of FO3 even if you decide to make the BOS go bye bye. So east coast would win.

The way I see it, the East Coast BOS are split into two category. The Outcast still manage to survive after splitting from the main group, but there really nothing that would really hit them hard to be gone in a long time. As for the Lyons' Pride, they are in a strange position. They are giving out water for free, everywhere. They are water merchant without the merchant part. Despite their number of increase, the morale seem questionable at best due to this new position given to them.

West Coast BOS still in a hostile state with the NCR back at the west but that doesn't automatically mean they are kick the curve, yet. If ya wanna add the Mojave BOS with the West and their truce with NCR, they ganna last a long while, not to mention there are hints they are planning on visiting Lucky 38 and finding its secret. Heck, even House saw them as a threat if they are not dealt with in the long run.

As for Midwest BOS, they got Vault 0. From what I read, that vault is full of high tech stuff, namely robots.

It not who wins, its more of how long and determined to remain in their existence and goal. Still, I still don't really view Lyons' Pride as really a "true" BOS.

West Coast is in a rather far stronger position, now since the enclave is dead and they know the source of the super mutants you can be sure they will deal with the super mutant problem within few years.. They control the water supply, the entire enclave technology including all the advanced power armor...even the mighty hellfire power armor which is better than T-51b power armor..

Within 5 years i see a thriving brotherhood with a Lyons pride having Hellfire power armor tech with latest energy weaponry and a rather huge wasteland with a large recruit base and a thriving community of people coz of free water and reduced mutant and enclave activity. What i see is a brotherhood exactly what Veronica(from New Vegas) wanted..

The true brotherhood ideals and all will only end up killing the brotherhood like whats happening in east coast and what will happen to the brotherhood outcasts, making more and more enemies and not recruiting people from outside will kill them sooner or later...... who would not kill them for the huge stash of tech in their base which is defended by a group which is stubborn enough not to recruit anyone...

Hell..if the east coast brotherhood got the expertise to build a giant robot from a scratch.. then they got the capability to do anything

Eh, from what ya say in the comment, I think ya mean East Coast. They are in a grand position of East Coast (surprising seeing there is really nothing of a huge group/faction/law/competition that is equivalent to the BOS or the Enclave in DC) but from the cost of their identity. They are now relied and expected from the residents of DC to supply (free) water and order, if any. How long this would last is still questionable.

While it is definitely true that the BOS' main goal is to obtain and preserve technology, it does not automatically means they shut themselves out of world. Its more of a case of being delusional with their goal. That said, it did not really stop on providing tech and help NCR grow in the younger years, as long they meet their own interest (tech and supplies). Its probably a power struggle that trigger between these two forces that led the West Coast BOS to the position they are now, trying to one up the NCR anyways they can.

NCR got far more resources to field such an organisation as BOS. they got their own elite group of soldiers called the rangers they have a rather huge army of recruits to choose their soldiers from and they have the resources to field better tech weaponary.. If BOS in west continue with their narrow minded gaols Time and NCR will rather easily destroy them.. Then the next thing would be NCR rangers with T-51b power armor and Guass rifles = Legion with wet underwears

Like I say before, the BOS help gave the NCR a jump start and stay out of their political mean at the same time in the beginning of thing. Their interaction with them before the battle of both forces were trading for supplies and technology at best and I would not be surprise that there could be some occasional recruit of some outsider into their club. But after all that, NCR still wasn't able erase the BOS out of existence, yet. My understanding of their narrow mind is base only the expeditionary group of Mojave BOS' overseer when they are trying to hold at Helio One.

I would already assume that because of the truce treaty, all power armor were return to the Mojave BOS and I doubt the NCR can reverse engineer Gauss Rifle and mass produce them as the alternate is clearly cheaper and as effective. Beside, trenchcoat and gasmask fit perfectly as badass uniform for the Elite NCR Rangers.

When you talk to the NCR guard in Helios they do talk about Brotherhood leaving behind a nice gift which they are prolly refering to dead brotherhood soldiers and equipment.. and considering how NCR got t-45b power armor i assume they got it form dead brotherhood soldiers..

Also if you talk to Veronica and others you find out that NCR losses are rather easily replaceable while Brotherhood losses are not.. Its not at all easy to replace soldiers who had years and years of fighting experience.. AM not sure if its just an expeditionary but brotherhood lost nearly 50% of their current strength in Helios one and the rest 50% retreated.. Sooner or later depending on who wins if its either Legion or NCR they are definitely going to be interested in destroying the brotherhood and getting all their equipment. that's what am referring to NCR getting Guass rifles not reverse engineering them. NCR can just out number them and beat them in attrition once the Legion is delt with.. Hell of Mr. House takes over Vegas and chases the NCR away.. I highly doubt if Brotherhood can handle upgraded securitrons...

The elitist dikebags or the boy scouts in shining armor. Hmm, I'll take the dikebags.

The gift was Helios One itself aka a power station / super weapon. As for the power armor, they fought earlier before Helios One. And as a deal struck on the truce, those go back to the Mojave BOS.

Mojave BOS is an expeditionary group, considering all things that they were sent to the east to find a dam, only to be control by the NCR at that time. Weapon wise, there only a few hand of group that have those tech and make it seem like its common thing, but its much cheaper, easier and as effective for the NCR to stick with projective guns (energy cells and energy weapon outside the BOS and the Van Graffs are rare, in a sense, not to mention harder to rebuild and obtain via cost and material).

As for the aftermath, I am looking at this as NCR/truce path. Every other path is practically moot at that point (the Mojave BOS is gone by than).

West Coast BOS (Based on a perhaps more accurate version of Fallout 3's events)

The West Coast, after the events of Fallout New Vegas ( I did help them out ), probably wouldn't be too worried about the East Coast BOS, especially since they now have Power Armor negating Pulse Guns and a formidable arsenal of Gauss Rifles, Tri-Beam Laser Rifles, Plasma Rifles, Gattling Lasers, hell, even the scribes are armed with Laser RCW's.

Let's Compare

West Coast:

* Treaty with the N.C.R ( Insured Survival )
* Advanced Armor and Weaponry
* New technology ( HEPA and Pulse Gun )
* Basic H.Q and outside outpost
* Better trained infantry
* Poor Charisma and lack of infantry

East Coast:

* Great amounts of infantry
* Poorly trained
* Massive casualties against the Enclave-BOS war
* Loss of the Citadel ( If you blew them up like I did )
* Over-eager recruits who are going to get lost in a closet ( Paladin Hoss and his run away initiate )
* Divided (Outcasts)
* Various factions who want what they have ( Roving raider gangs, super mutant remnants, Enclave ( If you targeted Citadel ), Outcasts, Talon Company, likely Rivet City, Slavers
* Lack of coherent leadership ( If you killed Elder Lyons and his daughter, but even then he wasn't managing too well without the L.W )
* Scattering of forces ( All those BOS outposts in the Capital Ruins, hell, they couldn't fend off the mutants at the trenches, are fighting for their life in Pennslyvania square, and the Citadel is besieged by angry mutants/in ruins )


Of all, both have huge advantages and disadvantages, but the West Coast wins in the end. I doubt the West Coast will care much for the East Coast BOS, especially since they have the Pulse Gun and HEPA cartridges to start off a population boom and insure themselves against power armored enemies. The East Coast is a fragmented hegemony that is falling apart under outside and internal pressure, and with the loss of Liberty Prime/Citadel (Maybe)/ Lyon's Pride, they won't have much going for them. Sure, a few Tesla Cannons here and there, but the Van Graffs have those, and the West Coast BOS can EASILY rob it from them if they felt like it, which isn't much of a challenge considering their presence is small in New Vegas.

Of course they didn't have plans at the time, but that was 40 years before the present. If the NCR can build vertibirds now, no doubt the brotherhood can.

Plus Vertibirds are heavy gunships that have to refuel just to get from the oil rig to Vault 13, there's no way they would make it across the country.



She used "gift" in a sarcastic manner. The gift they left was turning off the power plant and turning on all the automated defenses.

And that's only the Mojave outpost that lost at Helios One. The main brotherhood is back in California.

Is there any info about their war with the NCR?

A hundred years from "now", when civilization covers most of the North American continent once more, the heirs of Lyons and other "breakaway" chapters will still be trying to convince people that they aren't the same as the violent tech-hoarding hermits that have become boogeymen across a good part of the country, even though (as far as anyone knows) the last of the Old Brotherhood died out a generation or two ago. Those who could adapt ended their isolation and worked with, not against, the new societies growing up around them; those who could not holed up in their bunkers to the end, or finally ran into someone bigger and tougher.

The greatest foe the West Coast Brothers face is not the NCR, or the Enclave, or the Super Mutants, or even their own exiles. Their enemy is History, and unless they stop fighting it, it will plow them under and bury them in a grave of their own making.

The East Coast BOS has a much larger member base due to less initiate restrictions and the fact that they arnt a-holes. The EBOS has an awesome supply of Enclave loot, and their members would have gained exeperience fighting Super Mutants nad the Enclave.