i want oblivions lockpick mini game with morrowinds lockpick varieties

I dislike oblivion's minigame a lot. Its just tedious and you can beat even the most difficult lock with low security skill. The whole security skill feels pointless and once you get your hands into skeleton key (aka the cheat item), the whole skill becomes entirely meningless.

Fallout 3 certainly handled lockpicking better but it wasn't perfect either. the good thing was how it required you to increase your character's skill before trying the more difficult locks.

Morrowind i think had the most balanced and sensible way determine your success. The game would take into account your atributes, skill and equipment to determine whether the locks opens or not. there was a fine balance too between the open spells and the locking skill.

This right herr. :thumbsup:

I have really been thinking about this alot ... I really think they need to do A mix of both ... if you lock < skill it should just open like Morrowind. If Lock is ≥ skill it should be A mini game but in real time. As far as spells it works or dont work. Also they need too make sure their is no skeleton key. ( I did A quest in Oblivion and they reward was the skeleton key, this totaly runied this skill .. It forced your too use the key once you had it .. it never broke and so could just auto pick till it unlock no matter the lvl of the lock )

Morrowind style was boring. Oblivion's was better but kind of annoying. I like fallout 3's, though it'd have to be changed a bit. The look of the locks, and the screwdriver are a bit too modern. Maybe a pick and probe again?

No thats dumb.

Why should I have to leave a Chest unopened just because im not a high enough level yet. What are the chances Im going to remeber to go to every spot I missed once I get to a level high enough to unlock them?

Morrowind lockpicking svcked. Oblivion's was better, but not that great either. In Oblivion, you could pick the hardest locks and be level 1 if you knew the sound trick. Perhaps more complexity and skill should be involved in Skyrim.

Voted Morrowind. I usually don't like these little mini-games. They have to be so well done in order for me to feel they are necessary. Morrowind was simple and costly if you didn't have the skills.

Oblivion was super easy. Although I never got the timing down correctly to get the harder locks, the skeleton key sure took care of that little problem.

Fallout 3 was alright. It would be my second pick. It felt a LOT better than oblivions system. Actually, it is almost neck and neck with morrowind, but because morrowind is one of the best games ever, I have to choose morrowind's system .

Because you're playing an RPG, were your skills matter, and you should actually have to "work" for the good in-game loot?

Use the fallout system but keep it real time so you can actually get caught.

I liked Fallout 3's the best. It was realistic and most importantly, fun.

Yes! exactly this is what bothered me the most in Fallout 3. I do not mind a mini-game in real time.

I'll say one thing. Oblivion's lock picking was a lot more interesting when you covered up the tumblers so you were working on sound only.

Level restrictions, with a little leeway wouldn't bother me. I don't want to be able to succeed with an 80 lock at 20 skill, but succeeding at an 80 lock with 75 skill should be possible, but difficult. And failing at a 75 lock with 80 skill should be possible too.

I liked the mini game. Just wish it was real time when picking, much more exciting.

Yeah I really like oblivions lockpicking, but it was really easy. Morrowind, you had a certain amount of tries, and I sort of liked that. I remember trying to get into the morag tong and having to wait a while until I could. I wish they could somehow make a minigame based on skill. The only thing I didnt like about morrowinds was that the skeleton key had a certain number of uses, so I never used it.

now, i am a die hard morrowind fan but i think i like oblivions better..... or do I? I'm not sure actually, morrowind actually made you work to get into places but oblivion's was fun but kinda defeated the purpose of using alteration for opening things.

To be honest, I completely forgot how Morrowind's lockpicking was done. Anyone care to refresh my memory? I haven't played Morrowind in probably six years (yes I know, shame on me).

What I will say is that lockpicking in Oblivion and Fallout 3 made having a lockpicking skill pointless, especially if one was good enough to do it manually if they had the timing down.

why not daggerfall's lockpicking door smashing?

You equip the lockpick and use it on the door as if it were a weapon. Also probes. I miss being able to do something about traps. Most of the ones in Oblivion you couldn't disarm.

I guess a combination. I generally prefer character skill vs player skill for things like this, but I don't mind if player skill comes in and helps, but I don't want player skill handling the entire issue. I liked how it looked in fallout, so I'd probably mainly have Fo3s system where you needed a skill level to make the attempt but it had a minigame, with an auto attempt button based on character skill like morrowind, and in real time like morrowind as well. Furthermore I'd add in bashing down doors with some doors being too sturdy to bash, and I'd add in doors warded against magic. If security is a separate skill and not folded into a broad skill I'd have that as the only skill that can bypass any lock/door on its own, if it is part of a broad skill I'd have some locks unpickable.

Because you're playing an RPG. :rolleyes: Talk about 'dumb'.

Oblivion's without the Skeleton Key.

Some posts are very funny

RPG = your character's skills matters , your clicking skill does not

same goes for blocking

I did'nt mind either to be honest,but fallouts & morrowinds were better though....morrowinds just felt like it fitted in with your actual skill level in lock picking.
Thats what i thought anyway.
Playing morrowind again at the moment,then will move to oblivion again.
It's been a while....but i liked in morrowind how chests,doors etc had traps and you used probs to disarm them....i dont remember that in oblivion at all does anyone know if thats the case.
If so,i say bring that back too.

Overall I like Fallout 3's style, but the biggest problem with it was that the skill increases were completely meaningless between 0-24, 26-49, 51-74 and 76-99. It was only 25, 50, 75 and 100 that mattered, because those allowed you to unlock a more difficult lock. So maybe something like that, but with locks with a more varied difficulty level from 0 to 100, instead of 25/50/75/100.

Definitely not Oblivion's system where I could unlock any lock with a skill of 5.