Just because someone decided to buy a game for a console, it doesn't mean they are inferior or evil. It's that thing that causes the arguments between PC and console players to break out. Some people have their preferences to what device they play games on and shouldn't be labeled based on that preferences.
Even if you were sarcastic, you still shouldn't be saying that on any forums.
And no-one on these forums would want less content in (presumably) one of their favourite games, not even those 'evil' console players that you were talking about.

First, the argument for me being a casual gamer:

I buy a game every few months. Most of my game time over the last year has been ploughed into FIFA. Over the latter half of this year, Minecraft.

It would be suggested that, for wanting a deep, well executed game, I'm not a casual gamer. I personally don't see why the two should be mutually exclusive. I don't buy games too often and I don't have limitless time to plough into them, so I'd rather the ones I do commit time to are the best they can be.


Answers:

Factions: 7+ - More is better, so long as the quality is maintained. Oblivion had less guilds than Morrowind, with worse storylines. I'd hope for Skyrim to improve on this.

Level scaling: None - To copy and paste my reply from another thread:


Loot scaling: None - Tying in with how I think level scaling should be implemented, I think the best loot should be in the places with the toughest enemies, all from the start of the game.

Skrim's Setting: Unusual and exotic - Not too many games are given this sort of Nordic setting. I hope they do it justice rather than just falling back on traditional fantasy clichés.

Game features: Essential NPCs (optional) - As a vote twist on how I'd like it to be implemented. What would, in Oblivion circumstances, be essential NPCs would remain "essential" and unkillable by other NPCs. The PC should be able to kill them, but with some sort of clear indication given that they are essential NPCs beforehand.
Levitation - Had to be removed from Oblivion due to design failings and console hardware limitations. I'd like to see it make a return, but if console hardware necessitates that cities have to be closed off from the rest of the world, then its removal will probably be a necessary evil, though not one I'd be terribly happy with.
Mark/Recall - Self-explanatory. Essential if any decent fast travel system is to be implemented.
Intervention - As with Mark/Recall.
Buildable strongholds - Because what better way is there to display your power? It would be good if these were customisable to some degree, rather than just the prefab constructs of Morrowind.

The Skyrim team should take some notes from New Vegas in the way that we will get to influence the world and factions.

A proof that console players do not need dumbing down, so you can make great games for sensible console players like th3undon3on3, if you try, and decide the right decisions. :goodjob:

Edit, sorry I read casual player as console player. :blush2:


Almost exactly like my selections.

Holy [censored], this is EXACTLY like me only I play PES instead of Fifa. And you don't play MC like you used to.

I play console and PC games. I am the logic breaker. But yes, I think we've fairly well established that people can want a good, well thought out RPG without devoting their lives to PnP. I guess in a way I trust the more "hardcoe" gamers to deliver a game that I want.


FIFA > PES
(There, I think we've well and truly established ourselves as "casual" gamers )

Minecraft got boring. Server needs a revamp.

No I cannot, I don't mind that it shows you the way, but it was a little to much, I would personally still want it, but maybe to just show me to a general area, just so that you know that you aren't searching in vain.



I didn't consider it half the fun, at least not in morrowind where you could be a mile off base and not know it. Not that I don't understand why one could find it fun, I mean in Daggerfall, you could jump right to the dungeon, but you still had to search the dungeon. When you know that you're in the right place, it's more fun, because you know that you actually have a chance of finding what you're looking for. In Morrowind, most of the search quests that I did like were usually the ones where you had to search in a city, because than you could feel yourself making progress.

Because Morrowind didn't gave good enough indications to some people (I had almost no problem) that means Bethesda couldn't try to make it better? Give solid directions and the frustration is gone, why wouldn't that work. It really kills the immersion knowing without knowing it where something/someone is. Getting instructions and then finding something on your own really makes you feel in the word, instead of being able to zip anyone and guess where everything is because of a non-existent GPS system.

As for most of the topics on that poll, Im somewhat indifferent to. One of the things Im crossing my fingers for, is a main quest storyline that just completely blows my mind, and it has alot of depth to it. I may be biased on alot of Elder Scrolls subjects towards Morrowind because thats what I played first, but I really enjoyed the MQ story on that game more than Oblivions'. But a story that makes me want to keep playing is what sells me on most single player games.

Amen, brother.

This one thinks this is an interesting poll.

stupid thread is stupid. casual gamers don't go on forums, so this poll is utter [censored]. And I bet lots of morrowind/PC fan.boys voted.

I'm not sure how you could read what I said, and come to the conclusion that I don't want them to improve. If this thread was Morrowind, you would be lost now, and not because of vague directions.

Since when does console equal “casual or mainstream”? :flame:

Stupid reply is stupid. There are a lot of casual gamers on these forums, so your reply is utter [censored].

And protip: If a word is censored, bypassing the autocensor so you can use to flame people is a pretty stupid thing to do. I'm sure you'd find yourself on the receiving end of a warning if I were feeling petty enough to report it.

If you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute, don't contribute.


Since when does casual or mainstream equal "something bad"?

Same here Seti.

Thank you. This is how I feel.. more or less.

I like the idea of the "hardcoe Mode" in New Vegas

:frog:

This console and PC player wants:

The ending of the incessant complaints among self-styled anti-elitists every time someone raises the merit of any part of Morrowind.

I think people have different ideas of what a casual/mainstream gamer is, granted that I myself use the term incorrectly sometimes.

If by casual gamers you're implying those middle aged women playing Farmville - they're not even gamers.

I have no problem with console gamers. My beef is with the companies (Yep, even Bethesda) that have an irrational fear of allowing console users to install an optional part of the game. Things are quite obviously cut to fit on the one disc, because of this daft notion of no installation. We lack so much content due to this.

(And I don't care about these bigger discs on Playstations. There is more than one console, if you haven't noticed)


But, I completely get what everyone says when they refer to console gamers as "Casual" or what-not. Sure, not everyone is the kind of person that enjoys shallow games with explosions (I was once a console gamer), but, tbh, they're the minority.

Apparently you don't know what sarcasm is.

Also, I don't want essentialNPCs to be optional or even exist. You should be able to kill all NPCs, bar none. I don't want turning that off to even be an option.

I hate when PC people shut me down and label me because I play on PS3. I can't exactly afford a PC that can play games these days. Hell, I can barely afford games anymore. If I had the choice, I'd choose the PC, unfortunately I don't.

Don't think all PC players are not mainstream and casual. I know lots that are dying for The Elder Scrolls: WoW edition. Basically, when it comes down to it, there will always be rotten apples.

This is pretty ridiculous.

What "casual, mainstream gamer" will be on the Bethesda forum discussing and filling out polls about a new Elder Scrolls game that will come out at the end of next year?

It's like going to the main office Goldman Sachs and ask anyone who has worked in a coal mine to raise their hands.

You have a point here. :whisper: Don't tell anyone else.