Context and semantics.

It says "the winter". THE WINTER.

one more time

THE winter.

If "winter" in this context was to relate purely to cold, then it wouldn't have had to say cold later on down the line.

"Always bitter and cold" pretty clearly implies that winter, in context, comes around in a predictable interval, and has done so for many years.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove, but it isn't working.

But just because they call it winter and say its cold doesnt mean it is comparable to the earth's.


That makes no sense. And I am not trying to prove anything...

Mr Oblivion, here is the death blow to your argument. Actually, I have several:
http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/death_blow_abernanit.shtml

http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b036_lycanthropy.shtml

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/ionith.shtml

All these people talk as though winter was some discrete event, rather than a descriptor for a temperature and weather pattern that can occur at any time of the year.

Would you like the beatings to continue?

It makes perfect sense. Look I'll spell it out for you: I don't know why you're arguing this. I assume you have some reason other than trying to look like an ass. However, since your argument is a) not really about any interesting lore, b ) not really based on anything, and c) in disagreement with everyone else's opinion (not to mention in-game texts and common sense), you are accomplishing nothing.

So, I'm sorry, but I'll say it again: I do not know what you're trying to prove, but it isn't working.

EDIT: Stupid smiley. Who knew b+)= B)

/thread. Give the trophy to Alaisiagae!
:cake: couldn't find the trophy, have some cake. ITS NOT A LIE!

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Firmament suggests seasons not unlike our own.

I never said they didn't exist, I was implying they lacked definitive proof. These however, are better.

EDIT: And some people need to relax. I wasn't being argumentative, you guys lacked evidence. And I still cannot say the seasons are just like the earth's. Seasons, yes. But there are no descriptions of them to be like earth's.

I was hoping that someone would explain to you how it works, but I suppose I'll have to do it.

"Evidence" is not required for proving the obvious, especially when the raised doubt is, as in your bewildering case, the result of an inexplicable, completely random notion. Common courtesy would dictate that if you are going to go on something like this for two whole pages, you would at least share your reasons for defending the idea, and explain its importance. Otherwise it is a waste of time, and it is argumentative. Nirn may not have a tilting axis, but weather and seasons are earthlike, as are physics and most other areas of science. You can quibble over gaps inimple textual evidence until the vernal equinox comes, but you need only common sense to see the similarities between Nirn and Earth, with its agrarian societies and customs that often revolve around the agricultural cycles of the four seasons. The devs don't spell this out because they shouldn't have to.

If you have any similar ideas about Tamriel's lack of shoehorns, plows, mosquitos, tornadoes, aurora borealis or eclipses, please be advised that there is likely no evidence that these phenomenons exist. But most of them do.

We do not need evidence.

Welcome to Earth, you need evidence for everything.

And obviousness is subjective at best. My reason was lack of evidence. No evidence, it does not exist. Plain and simple.

This isn't earth, this is Tamriel. A fictional place, if you weren't aware. Empiricism is not how FICTION is navigated. But apparently your PHD Thesis of a fantasy world lacks toilets. It does, however, have earthlike seasons, but you continue to ignore any and all posts containing the word Daggerfall.

Honestly, this should be over now.

I never said there weren't seasons. I said you guys lacked solid evidence. And I am not being in the slightest manner empirical.

And this is earth, just because we are talking about a game (keep in mind that it is a game), doesn't mean it pervades the argument. Fantasy to reality. We are reality. You can't just say something exists.

Um, yes you did. Then you changed your mind. And once again, we don't need slavishly detailed, utterly incontrovertible, overwhelming proof for something that everyone already assumes is true. It is impossible to be validly 100% certain that the sun will rise tomorrow, but you're asking for that certitude. We do have solid evidence, you just chose to ignore my post about Daggerfall.

From Wikipedia:


That's another confusing statement from you. Not empirical? It's wasn't an insult, you know.

Since I don't want to get into a fruitless argument over how fiction is experienced and understood (hint: it's not like what CSI does), I'll just wish you well in your world where toilets are a misty uncertainty,

Assumptions get one nowhere in the end.


Sigh, I am done with this conversation. You still don't have solid evidence. But carry on as if you did. See ya later.

Now you're just trolling. For the fourth time, the ES game Daggerfall has earthlike seasons.

I wasn't really talking about the game, more of lore. And I am not trolling. I resent that.

Are you suggesting that there are seasons in Daggerfall, but not in lore?

If you honestly think that, then I apologize. You'd be wrong, but I suppose it wouldn't be trolling. However, you should still say why something I have said three times does not meet your inscrutable standards for 'evidence.' Because I think you're just weaseling, ignoring, obfuscating, and generally being stubborn. What originally made you think the seasons were significantly different in Nirn?

And by the way, if you were familiar with ES lore, you would know that the writers intended us to make assumptions, educated guesses, draw abstract conclusions, and generally use judgement and intelligence, rather than ignoring everything that isn't backed up by an argument worthy of the Supreme Court.

Paw......the name is Mr. Oblivion. Obilvion has no seasons. Thus, all of Nirn has no seasons.

Mr. Oblivion: You are being deliberately fatuous. With the same logic, I could challenge you to prove that in Tamriel, grass is really called grass.

:rofl: Sigged!

I love your razor-sharp wit!

And with the same method, I prove it!

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=72791987&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=season

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=72791987&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=grass

They are in our world, but since Tamriel seems to work very differently from Earth, but on the surface many aspects seem to, by some extremely unlikely coincidence, look a lot like Earth, things still fall downward, even if it might be caused by a different force from what we know as gravity, it still rains and snows, the wind still blows, people seem to reproduce in the same way as opposed to being delivered by storks, or if we want to use something with a more distinctive Elder Scrolls theme, cliffracers, people still need to eat and, though we're not shown it in game, we could only assume that the things that must naturally follow also happen. So yes, I'd say seasons exist, and there are things in books and dialog that support this, it would seem. I'd guess that they have the same name as in real life, since Bethesda hasn't provided us any other information. (Not to mention I'm pretty sure I saw the word "winter" pop up on some of the results for Turns-the-Page's link, so by logic, we could assume that if there is a season Bethesda decided to call "winter", it's the same as the winter we know, and we could extend this logic to assume that the same applies for other seasons.

Seasons are hardly that complicated to discuss. Since Tamriel sometimes resembles to our world it is safe to assume that something in Nirn works like on Earth unless shown, explained otherwise. So we take the null hypothesis as "it is like on Earth" and need evidence to reject it to prove alternative hypothesis ("it works differently on Nirn") is right. There might be lack of evidence to proove our null hypothesis on the matter of seasons, however, there is complete absence of evidence that would say otherwise, thus, we cannot reject the basic standpoint. Innocent until proven guilty

Is there any solid evidence that people on Tamriel breathe with their lungs? Is there any evidence that they breathe at all? Is there any evidence that they digest the food they eat? Is there any evidence that they have brains, or any sort of organ other than the heart? Is there any evidence that they have nails? Is there any solid evidence that babies are born, and grow over the years until they're advlt? Is there any solid evidence that in Tamrielic mathematics, 2+2 is equal to 4?