I assumed she was just being facetious as I was.

Unless...you knew that, and your post was part of the sarcasm? :wacko:

I am not an idiot, and I am appalled that someone would imply it. I am doubting the similarities, and still, no one has stated them or given a lack thereof.

I changed it because people proved there were seasons. They still have not proved the similarities, Nalion.

How can I be wrong? There has yet to be provided, ample proof to state the similarities between the two. There isn't a right or wrong...

Yes, it is an etymology. Insolation is an acronym. :shrug:

How can I be wrong? There has yet to be provided, ample proof to state the similarities between the two. There isn't a right or wrong...

*Puts on the Philosophy Graduate gloves*

I would like to point out here that in a logically correct discussion regarding the truth of any widely accepted principle based on popular consensus and common sense, the burden of proof to argue otherwise falls upon the dissenter.

That would be you.

In other words, it is not for us to prove that Tamriel's seasons are comparable to Earth's. That is a generally accpeted fact supported by circumstantial evidence and (dare I say) the Occam's Razor principle. It is for you to provide the evidence that it isn't so. And if your answer is "It isn't so because you have no proof that it is so", your argument is so inconsequential as to be nonexistent.

QFT

Isn't it very satisfying if the discussion partner serves the perfect counter argument on a silver plate?

Now really though, come on. There are four seasons in lore, four seasons in the game Daggerfall, there are mentions of spring, summer, fall and winter, all with the necessary descriptions of the respective season (e.g. winter = cold). The actual physics (tilted axis) don't really matter. A season is (to quote wikipedia), "a division of the year, marked by changes of the weather". Period.
They may not be "created" by the same mechanics/physics as they are on earth, nonetheless, they share all the proper requisites to be called "seasons". So all you are discussing is semantics. Which, in this case
a. saves no purpose other than occupying half the lore forumites to overload TIL with search requests for seasons
b. makes you look pedantic.

Besides, you're evading the argument by constantly changing your standpoint. First, it's just "there aren't seasons", then, "there aren't seasons like earth", which is a bad style of discussion. Okay, here, I'll hand you a bone. Nirn's seasons cannot be proven to work exactly as Earth's seasons. For all purposes, though, Nirn's seasons look, smell and taste like Earth's seasons, ans thus, are seasons of Nirn in their own rights. And that's, I daresay, the real purpose of what the OP asked. And, I tell you that, he didn't ask whether the seasons of Nirn are like Earth's.

My preferred season, by the way, is the hunting season. Now don't even try to tilt my axis.

I knew there was a reason I liked you other than your looks

Websters cites it coming from Latin "insolatio" via French "insolation". That's a much more credible etymology.

Sigh, I don't need to be schooled on philosophy. I cannot provide proof of absence of difference, but neither can anyone else. Therefore, the argument has died.

So it's been proven that the temperature and enviromental aspects of the seasons are the same, as is the timing of each season.

What more do you want?

*harrumph* And which one of us is taking a college-level course in Climatology? Hmm?



Back to Tamriel's seasons! Let's say Nirn doesn't have an axial tilt (which causes, at least for Earth, the sunlight to be unevenly distributed in magnitude over the course of the planet's revolutions about the sun). So, what else could cause the 'sunlight' to vary in intensity, thus decreasing incoming radiation?

Of course, the sun in TES is really a hole ripped into the fabric of space by Magnus' hissy-fit. Which leads to the question - what is 'sunlight' in Nirn, and why does it cause a sensation of warmth? Is it some form of magicka that is interpreted by Nirn's inhabitants' "eyes" to be similar to what we on Earth call photons? Or, is it just plain old light, and I'm over anolyzing things?

doesn't cause warmth.

The range of temperature, how long each was.

That depends on latitude and other climate factors (altitude, proximity to large bodies of water, proximity to mountains and wind currents, et cetera), and would not necessarily be consistent across even a single province.

Besides, I don't think any Nirn civilizations (well, maybe the Dwemer?) have created a system by which to quantify and measure temperature - in other words, an anolog to the Fahrenheit or Celsius or Kelvin systems of measuring temperature. Even weight (or mass) measurements are iffy, let alone one for recording temperature.

Unless you blow the living poo outta some poor, defenseless town with a fireball set to NUKE mode.

......

Yeah.....

Sigh, I don't need to be schooled on philosophy. I cannot provide proof of absence of difference, but neither can anyone else. Therefore, the argument has died.

Sigh, I don't need to be schooled on philosophy. I cannot provide proof of absence of difference, but neither can anyone else. Therefore, the argument has died.

Codified temperature would be something like "freezing water" "melting ice" "boiling water". Very natural mumbo-jumbo.

The sky is another visual phenomenon caused by mortal mental stress, the night sky in particular. The sky is as impossible as planets; in essence, when you look into the sky, 'you look outside the material plane'. At night, Nirn is surrounded by Oblivion. The day sky is the multicolored elemental cloak of Magnus the sun. It changes colors as elemental influences rise and fall. Thus, when one looks at the day sky, they see into the raiments of Aetherius, and stare at magic.

Magnus is the sun, the largest hole in Oblivion, and the gateway to magic. Magnus was present at the creation of the mortal plane, and, in fact, was its architect (Lorkhan was its advocate and inspiration). Prehistoric (before ME2500, startyear) Nirn was a magical place, and highly unstable to the first mortals. Magnus then left, some say in disgust, and Oblivion filled in the void with the Void. His escape was not easy, and tatters of Magnus remain in the firmament as stars.

True, but atmospheric pressure also plays a role in the heat of fusion and vaporization of a material. Well, at least on Earth it does...

The sticking points are that there are things that have been stated as to no be the same as Earth mechanics. For instance, the very sky itself:
-http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml

Furthermore, the sun:

So, is the hole moving around in the sky (sun revolving around the earth), or is Nirn spinning and the hole is standing still? What causes day and night?

This isn't about philosophy, this is about everyday life. We base our lives around educated guesses. The problem with this debate is that it was being conducted backwards. It is already an unspoken agreement that Tamriel's seasons correspond with Earth's. For you to make a proper argument against that, you needed to come up with your OWN proof that they don't - but you didn't, just turned it round and tried to make US prove what is an already accepted truth.

That's why people reacted incredulously, and that's why the majority is still correct until you can come up with a decent objection. "Absence of infallible proof" is not a decent objection.

I agree the argument is dead, though.

I believe that just because the majority believes it, doesn't mean it's right.

Usually, they are wrong when it is quite controversial.

Yet still, no one can prove either situation. That is why it is dead.