[Stay-C]

I definately get that its not as relevant, bringing up F1 and 2 stuff.- depending on the situation.. There are things that we spectulate on that i wouldnt mind some more info on relating to older games, which in turn could make for a better future game not only as content added to address those things driectly, but to build upon as well. You are one of the people that i have noticed exlporing that, so dont get me wrong, i know its discussed here and you are pretty constructive in your sicussions as well. I dig that and wish others were as constructive with it as opposed to throwing out cheap jabs at Beths expense. its sort of like your parents getting upset at you for not getting good grades when they had a C average when they were in school.. They want the best, so they push for it, but its still a bit hypcritical, even if by omission.

I guess its a mattter of perspective

I'm not a biased man, or a liar for that matter; I try and defend the friggin' - rationally too I might add, not from some [censored] patriotic IRL reason - Enclave for God's sake . I won't lie that I take some cold respite from taking a jab at Bethesda myself at times, but only because they make my job so damn hard. Thinking about, speculating on and defending http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/e/e9/Fo2_EC_Company.pngin the face of everything, it's what I do; I prefer to play dodge-the-plasma with anything that get's our way, Bethesda, Obsidian and Black Isle all have blood on theirs hands in this regard.

[Tarka]

IT's silly to say that fo3 n fonv arn't rpg's imo just silly:cryvaultboy:.

[Fanny Rouyé]

IT's silly to say that fo3 n fonv arn't rpg's imo just silly:cryvaultboy:.

Why is that silly? Both games have very heavy action/adventure elements. Where you draw the line is mostly a matter of preference.

[abi]

IT's silly to say that fo3 n fonv arn't rpg's imo just silly:cryvaultboy:.

Does it matter? Its doesn't make them any less fun. I hate how people rate games like there is some kind of heirarchy. If you have fun with a game, its a good game. Period, whether it be a RPG and FPS or a RTS.

I would say Fallout 3 and New Vegas are roleplaying games for one reason. I can roleplay in them. Therefore, for me, they are role-playing games.

[Tasha Clifford]

No offense to Gab but he seems the biggest fo3 basher.

[Ella Loapaga]

No offense to Gab but he seems the biggest fo3 basher.

And?

[Philip Rua]

Can't we all just get along!

[Trista Jim]

Can't we all just get along!

Getting along with others is a sign of weakness in these parts.

[JESSE]

No offense to Gab but he seems the biggest fo3 basher.

We have NV basher too, but no problem, they re always right :rolleyes:

Can't we all just get along!

Not going to happen, FO3 had their purist and elitist too, and its doesnt make better the fact that some people had hatred against Obsidian

(But Alpha Protocol was awesome)

[Bambi]

Getting along with others is a sign of weakness in these parts.

And you do NOT want to show weakness.

[Honey Suckle]

Getting along with others is a sign of weakness in these parts.

*leans down a little bit* What you say boy*spits in a tin can* around these parts son we dont bash*spits in tin can*

"The cost of freedom is always high, one path we shall never choose...the path of surrender."-JFK

[Rik Douglas]

Common now guys, we don't need to hate each other. Look at what where doing to ourselves here. All this arguing and bickering is just creating more hate. I mean every game has its flaws games are like people none of them are perfect. Maybe instead of focusing on what we hate and bashing others for liking a different game maybe we should be focusing on what we all have in common that were all fallout fans here fan. I think its time for a group hug.

*people reading this thread start crying* :cryvaultboy:

*speech check failed* (hears the combat/VATS sound affect) :gun:

[Scared humanity]

No offense to Gab but he seems the biggest fo3 basher.

And?

You've been raised to a pedestal. You should be thankful.

[CArla HOlbert]

You've been raised to a pedestal. You should be thankful.

Gabriel, you bloody usurper! :batman:

[Reanan-Marie Olsen]

Shouldn't we be spending our time buying up used copies of Black Ops and melting them down, rather than fighting?

[Mélida Brunet]

You've been raised to a pedestal. You should be thankful.

Gabriel, you bloody usurper! :batman:

I'm confused.

Offtopic:
" :sb: "
What the hell is this smiley!? :cryvaultboy:

[Neil]

I pretty much left a while ago because of the fallout 1,2 fans. If you said anything you didn't like about FO:nv or anything you did like about FO3 you were branded as an uneducated, brain dead moron.

Seriously it got pretty bad IMO. The fallout 1,2 fan boys were getting pretty nasty.

It actually annoys me how much they also put fallout 3 down and how they put down Bethesda. FO3 was a brilliant game, There was nothing wrong with the story if I am honest. I was not reading a best selling book so I was not expecting absolutely amazing writing. I was expecting a great game and that is what I got.

I do find it hard to understand why you rate obsidian so highly above every other dev team. You only have to look at their previous games to see what kind of developers they are........

I'm not going to knock obsidian though for their story's. They did crate the fallout universe and a damn good one it is. I do think though that you fan boys need to stop knocking people who enjoyed fallout 3. I mean we could just look at the sales of fallout 3 and its scores to see how bad of a game it was.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3#Awards

The one thing I hope is that Bethesda does not take most of the people opinions of this forum about the next fallout 4 game because they represent such a small minority who just cannot move on.

I suppose I am venting here but you have to understand that coming onto a forum and complimenting a game that leads to the poster receiving insults is not the best experience.

The one question I will ask you is this, Do you really believe that if obsidian had gone at it alone they would of been able to deliver a fallout game like Bethesda or bioware ? I don't http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/alphaprotocol/index.html?tag=result%3Btitle%3B1

Your question on Obsidian, I don't think they would have delivered a game anything as good as we have now.

Welcome to the forum hidden_away, yes we have all met these so-called Fallout 1 and 2 fans, nothing wrong with being fans, but I find they do tend (to put it mildly) to come out with such a lot of guff with lack of logic and misinterpretation of such as Fallout 3 that is just untrue.

Can't we all just get along!

Do we really need to get along with them, I've tried to have a sensible discussion with them and I've had this seriously argued to me. "Fallout3 is just Oblivion with guns" ... and other such complete nonsense ...

I tend to no longer discuss with them.

We have NV basher too, but no problem, they re always right :rolleyes:

Not going to happen, FO3 had their purist and elitist too, and its doesnt make better the fact that some people had hatred against Obsidian

I've never seen an NV basher on the scale of an FO3 basher such as those old Fallouts fans, an NV critic yes giving valid preferences, but an FO3 basher stating similar nonsense to the above, there is no comparison, and I've never seen postings implying hatred against Obsidian, they may not be as good at producing Fallouts such as what we have at present, but there's no hatred on the scale of what the old F1 and 2 fans come out with, not that I've seen.

[jason worrell]

I'm confused.

Offtopic:
" :sb: "
What the hell is this smiley!? :cryvaultboy:

its http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8u6n5_strong-bad-trogdor_fun man.
And TROGDOR comes in the NIGHT!!!!!!!

[saharen beauty]

Your question on Obsidian, I don't think they would have delivered a game anything as good as we have now.

Welcome to the forum hidden_away, yes we have all met these so-called Fallout 1 and 2 fans, nothing wrong with being fans, but I find they do tend (to put it mildly) to come out with such a lot of guff with lack of logic and misinterpretation of such as Fallout 3 that is just untrue.



Do we really need to get along with them, I've tried to have a sensible discussion with them and I've had this seriously argued to me. "Fallout3 is just Oblivion with guns" ... and other such complete nonsense ...

I tend to no longer discuss with them.

I've never seen an NV basher on the scale of an FO3 basher such as those old Fallouts fans, an NV critic yes giving valid preferences, but an FO3 basher stating similar nonsense to the above, there is no comparison, and I've never seen postings implying hatred against Obsidian, they may not be as good at producing Fallouts such as what we have at present, but there's no hatred on the scale of what the old F1 and 2 fans come out with, not that I've seen.

You re missing a lot of things then, people tend to complain against Obsidian and blaming the for all the things that they didnt like

BTW,I see a bit of hipocrisy, in you post, you call Fallout 3 the true Fallout game, and you think that original devs didnt get the what they want to obtain about Fallout, but you think that Bethesda did it, among others things,
You arent in position of calling us bashers, since that you praise FO3 as not the best, thats subjetive, but the "true" Fallout 3....

Do you want to not get along with us?,fine, we dont need to get along with you then, since then other FO3 fans get along with us and understand us, rather then just call us bashers and elitist.....

And people say that they cannot say nothing bad against NV, but looks like that we cannot do the same thing when it comes to Fallout 3

[Emily Shackleton]

Everything one side says about the other is true on both sides. I've seen a lot of claims that *person* bashes *game* "for no reason", there is always a reason.

[Emily Jones]

Everything one side says about the other is true on both sides. I've seen a lot of claims that *person* bashes *game* "for no reason", there is always a reason.

As a fallout1/2 fan I can understand why people bash the new games so much. Here I'm going to put into perspective why dinosaurs are upset with the newer games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFabjc6mFk4
See here's a classic beautiful done.

Now when somebody has played fallout1/2 for as long as they have and then play fallout 3 they see this, a classic being butchered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3PnQ3tgzY&feature=related

So there's going to be people that say they liked the first video better then there's going be people that say they liked the 2nd video better. War... war never changes...

[Austin Suggs]

And?

:facepalm: It's pathetic and i have seen you "bash" fo3 on numerous occasions for no reason and you gladly do it when ever you can it's fine you have your opinion just you repeat it like someone with a gagging reflex .

[Victor Oropeza]

:facepalm: It's pathetic and i have seen you "bash" fo3 on numerous occasions for no reason and you gladly do it when ever you can it's fine you have your opinion just you repeat it like someone with a gagging reflex .

Gabe thinks alpha protocol is an awesome game! which just about sums up his taste in games.

[Shae Munro]

Gabe thinks alpha protocol is an awesome game! which just about sums up his taste in games.

I think Alpha Protocol is a good game, thanks for the flaming thought :spotted owl:

[ZzZz]

Bashing bashers, that's really progressive. :facepalm:

Opinions are like buttholes everybody has one.