[CHangohh BOyy]

I'm not trying to attack you, "nitpick" you, or "spin" anything. I'm attempting to show that you are the same as the people you're criticizing.

You believe you are justified because you are acting in retaliation. The FO1/2 fans believe they are justified because they are acting in retaliation.

Although I haven't been here long enough to know "who started it", I do know that threads such as these, as well as the ones you have mentioned, arise out of retaliation to a perceived injustice or attack against them.

Who the hell are picking on the FO 1,2 fans? You're telling me that when FO3 came out there was a influx of threads saying that the FO3 story and game walked all over the orgianls and the FO 1,2 fan boys
Are thick COD players? (there is a lot more insulting then that).

[Charleigh Anderson]

Who the hell are picking on the FO 1,2 fans? You're telling me that when FO3 came out there was a influx of threads saying that the FO3 story and game walked all over the orgianls and the FO 1,2 fan boys
Are thick COD players? (there is a lot more insulting then that).

I love how you started this thread and now people are saying it's not even a "true fallout game " or "an rpg" WELL DONE DINOSAURS :thumbsup:

[danni Marchant]

Who the hell are picking on the FO 1,2 fans?

You are. You made any entire thread dedicated to it.

[Rodney C]

Fallout 3 is a rpg and if fo3 isn't then neither is fonv (ohh strength requirements ).But there both RPG'S

Never said NV is a RPG. For the record, its not for the same reason F:3 Isn't.

[willow]

Never said NV is a RPG. For the record, its not for the same reason F:3 Isn't.

Ther both rpg's jeez louise .Can we end it there cause i'll just turn into a rantaphob

[CSar L]

I love how you started this thread and now people are saying it's not even a "true fallout game " or "an rpg" WELL DONE DINOSAURS :thumbsup:

When arguments get tough, people take things to their logical extreme. FO3 had less RPG elements, therefore it had no RPG elements. NV had less exciting locations, therefore it had no exciting locations. Its ridiculous, but it's everywhere, from arguments about music to debates on politics.

[Red Sauce]

I love how you started this thread and now people are saying it's not even a "true fallout game " or "an rpg" WELL DONE DINOSAURS :thumbsup:

NVM I read your post wrong lol. Its late over here in the UK.

You are. You made any entire thread dedicated to it.

Why did I do this? Because I was driven away by fallout 1,2 fans. I would NEVER insult them or the game. I am just venting because I came back here and look at a thread and straight away saw the same old [censored]. I just wanted to see people opinions!

[Chelsea Head]

Ther both rpg's jeez louise .Can we end it there cause i'll just turn into a rantaphob

What makes it an RPG?

I'd argue its a first person adventure game with RPG elements.

[Ana Torrecilla Cabeza]

When arguments get tough, people take things to their logical extreme. FO3 had less RPG elements, therefore it had no RPG elements. NV had less exciting locations, therefore it had no exciting locations. Its ridiculous, but it's everywhere, from arguments about music to debates on politics.

I know but i must be a god as i never say anything like that about fo1 fo2 or fonv.And i seem like the only logical fo3 fan here .

[Katey Meyer]

Let's see what's new
Some guy made a huge movement (ok it was actually small) about making a fallout in the south. He got really mad at any one who said any thing bad about the south and its amazying he has not been banned for it. He also made plenty of good threads to help the spread of ideas to help slowly take away the serton idea restrictions.
He hasn't been on much lately probably because of test.

plenty of new location and suggestion threads have been made.

thats all that's new really

[Lloyd Muldowney]

When the mods wake up this thread will be locked anyway.

[Alessandra Botham]

What makes it an RPG?

I'd argue its a first person adventure game with RPG elements.

Seriously i'm giving you the chance to stop this cuz i'm gonna turn into a ball of vicious rant can we stop i say it's an rpg (which it is fact) and you say it isn't just abort.

[Ebou Suso]

When arguments get tough, people take things to their logical extreme. FO3 had less RPG elements, therefore it had no RPG elements. NV had less exciting locations, therefore it had no exciting locations. Its ridiculous, but it's everywhere, from arguments about music to debates on politics.

True that, would you be raged to know I just brought katy perrys E.T song!!

[Sami Blackburn]

Why did I do this? Because I was driven away by fallout 1,2 fans. I would NEVER insult them or the game. I am just venting because I came back here and look at a thread and straight away saw the same old [censored]. I just wanted to see people opinions!

And your venting lead to you insulting them. I'm not trying to attack you here. I agree with a lot of the things you're saying. I just want to let you know that they people on the other side do what they do, and say what they say for the same reasons you do. They feel that a game they loved has been attacked, and that they must retaliate. You feel that the game you love has been attacked, and you must make a thread to retaliate. Everyone's just retaliating to everyone else's retaliations.

Hope this makes sense.

[Fluffer]

When the mods wake up this thread will be locked anyway.

And all down to the dinosaurs :thumbsup: .

[Rhiannon Jones]

Seriously i'm giving you the chance to stop this cuz i'm gonna turn into a ball of vicious rant can we stop i say it's an rpg (which it is fact) and you say it isn't just abort.

Sorry, since you claim to be a logical person, then I'm sure you'll appreciate that I can't accept your claim of a fact with no evidence at all to back it up. "Accept my fact or risk a tantrum" isn't good enough.

I've already stated why I don't feel its a RPG - it does not use a system anolagous to that of a Pen and Paper system. In a RPG player advantage is iminimised and if possible elimiated completely. In Fallout 3/NV neither of these is true, your shots are part player skill, part chance, after you meet a prerequisite Lockpicking and science checks are all player skill, there is almost no character skill involved.

Your "fact" is not a fact, it is merely an opinion.

[Mark Hepworth]

Sorry, since you claim to be a logical person, then I'm sure you'll appreciate that I can't accept your claim of a fact with no evidence at all to back it up. Accept my fact or risk a tantrum isn't good enough.

I've already stated why I don't feel its a RPG - it does not use a system anolagous to that of a Pen and Paper system. In a RPG player advantage is iminimised and if possible elimiated completely. In Fallout 3/NV neither of these is true, your shots are part player skill, part chance, after you meet a prerequisite Lockpicking and science checks are all player skill, there is almost no character skill involved.

Your "fact" is not a fact, it is merely an opinion.

In my opinion the fps element is just the medium you play the game to portray your charcter but in fo1 n fo2 it's turn based or like the final fantasy series they all involve skill in combat as i'm sure you would agree there is player skill in fo1 n fo2 and not just character skill also like in fo3 n fonv where you play to your strengths and skills do you get what i mean.And it's stated on wiki and lots of game sites as an rpg.

[Jonny]

It's not an fps because your fps skills don't matter if your gun is in crap condition which is tied to repair i .e character skill affecting reload and spread making it hard to target the enemy or if you gun skill is low also affecting the weapon spread making player skill irrelevant.

[Jessie Rae Brouillette]

In my opinion the fps element is just the medium you play the game to portray your charcter but in fo1 n fo2 it's turn based or like the final fantasy series they all involve skill in combat as i'm sure you would agree there is player skill in fo1 n fo2 and not just character skill also like in fo3 n fonv where you play to your strengths and skills do you get what i mean.And it's stated on wiki and lots of game sites as an rpg.

I agree there is some player skill in Fo1/2, but its minimalised as much as is possible in the medium (down to observation and general tactics only) which is to me the hallmark of a RPG. But good to see a well reasoned response, and it makes sense.

I agree its not an FPS, I see it more as a modern adventure ala GTA3/4 (although Sandbox seems to be the word they use for that now).

[Sara Lee]

You are. You made any entire thread dedicated to it.

I have to agree with Mr. Blu on this one. He did just make this thread to talk about the Dinosaurs. I think we need to calm down on the bashing on some limits here. We should reach a mutual agreement of F3 and F1 and F2.

[k a t e]

Remember it was their firs attempt at this game, I have no doubt that FO4 will be better. Now they have obsidian on board they also have a huge advantage of getting a more detailed story. You see for me it was not just about the story in fallout 3, It was so much more. The wasteland, the settlements, the gear the whole apocalyptic feel to the game. They got the atmosphere spot on IMO. I did actually enjoy all the stories.

To me I just felt like FO:NV was the same game with a few upgrades. Not some new ground breaking game with a ground breaking story. Still a great game though!! Up there in my top 10 that's for sure!

Point taken. Hopefully it will get better from here on out
About my criticism of fallout 3, I should have put FNV there as well. (in regards to game mechanics)
maybe next game they will hire Obsidian to do the story, and sub plots and Bethesda does the game world / environments

tell you the truth I'd Like a system like morrowind's for the next fallout but I doubt that will happen (chance based skill checks instead of mini-games)
thats why I Love FWE so much for Fallout 3, it took out the mini-games, added skill checks, and added Explosives based lockpicking as well

[April D. F]

I agree there is some player skill in Fo1/2, but its minimalised as much as is possible in the medium (down to observation and general tactics only) which is to me the hallmark of a RPG. But good to see a well reasoned response, and it makes sense.

I agree its not an FPS, I see it more as a modern adventure ala GTA3/4 (although Sandbox seems to be the word they use for that now).

Read my post about gun skill it go's well with the previous post :tongue: .

[Milad Hajipour]

I'm off 2.45am here in Scotland.

[Lil Miss]

I have to agree with Mr. Blu on this one. He did just make this thread to talk about the Dinosaurs. I think we need to calm down on the bashing on some limits here. We should reach a mutual agreement of F3 and F1 and F2.

Like Mako said most people would agree that Fallout 1 and 2 had better storylines than three and at the same time three had way more action in it than the first two and is vastly better than most games out there today. Two totally different games from basiclly two different generations of gamers.

When you boil it down fans of the originals are never going to be fully happy with a new Fallout game because its not going to be the same as the ones they fell in love with, and the new fans are never going to fully understand what so many people see in a top down turn based game from 1996.

[Ashley Clifft]

The state of the forum.

The annoying New Vegas vs Fallout 3 threads seem to be going away. *knock on wood*

Dinosaurs still alive and kicking. I have no plans to go away anytime soon.

I have noticed an increase of people "educated" in Fallout outside of Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Maybe it is because there are people around to help guide and educate :angel: