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Runik

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Messiah Complex

i't interesting to see how it will work as time goes forwards. already seen many trading guilds forming.

Clue me in, what is the guild store?

I think it is a good idea to have guild stores. However players should be able to sell their wares without being forced to be in a guild.

There should be local Auction houses or another way to emulate the personal shop system without breaking the game performance (lag, fps) nor the immersion (disruptive advertising, shops everywhere).

ESO has no global AH. Guild store fills that role. In essence, it functions as a guild members only AH.

it's garbage.

I think it is a well thought out design choice that will fit with the mega server, instead of having gigantic ah for everyone.

I like this snall time more personal trading, I get more satisfactory to sell a grand piece of armour you found or created if selling it is also an 'art'

The guild tax is way too high. It will not be used at all.

Other games typically charge 10% and even then people frequently send tells to try to avoid having to pay the markup. At 25% markup your just trying to get people to not use it.

Not having a auction house where everyone has access to goes a long way to eliminate gold sellers/farmers etc. I believe.

wrong topic... sorry

That is not what this thread is about. They are talking about guild stores, not the cash shop.

i know u rush to answer, dont u see that I am dyslexic? lol u rush to much - I edit it much before u answer.

I think it is a really bad idea. People don't want to run around looking to buy things from different guild stores. More importantly, smaller guilds and individuals will suffer greatly, while large guilds solely devoted to trading will dominate.

Maybe, but what is to prevent them from joining one, or more, of the many large trade guilds that are forming.

I don't know, i see it hurting more people than it helps. I hope i am wrong, but I am not seeing it as a good thing.

Had no idea this was in place , really need to check the info on this game.

Anyway , if it works , and it is not really hard to find a piece of gear because of this , then yeah nice , if players cant trade in an eficient way because of this ... well [censored].

The days we would all spend all day on a square saying what each one is trading and selling is gone now.

They are trying a change , i cant really say how big it is since i dont understand the system yet , but like any change , there is a big risk , they still want people playing every month here heh.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Your post is still the same. This thread is about player auction houses, not the in-game store.

Where did you hear 25%? From what I got outta the Reddit AMA it's only 10%

Honestly, the entire "Guild Store" wasn't a bad idea, if it had been you know, a "secondary" option to selling stuff. Zenimax is almost going to be forced to implement some type of auction house system within ESO. This will of course be due to the fact people will be spamming the global chat trying to sell their wears, which isn't a bad thing... But, when it becomes so problematic that one has to make a separate channel aside from global in order to see what his guild/party members are saying, it becomes an issue, which must be fixed immediately. This is exactly what's going to happen to ESO. Spam the world chat. Not because people "Want" to, but because they "have" to.

Guilds from my understanding hold 500 people right? So... what happens to the 30 some guilds who get fortresses, and are the only one's able to sell their wares? Well, the thousands of others become disgruntled and use World chat to try and peddle their wares. Also, keeping in mind the PvP zones while they are going to be many, larger guilds that my not be as uh... "Competitive" as others let's say... Won't have any chance to claim a "keep"/Fortress for their own. So what happens to such guilds? They lose their population resorting in an uproar about being able to join more than one guild at a time, and so forth.

The whole idea of strictly and solely a guild store, is such a bad idea... That I can't imagine it's not going to be changed within 2-3 months tops. Sure, there's people in the forums (Beta, and these ones), that love TES, and want to be "immersed" in a world, but the fact is, majority of people are going to be coming from different Mmorpg's expecting something different, and expecting the same setup as previous games, which TES has nothing to offer merchant wise. So, what's going to happen? The casual player, and maybe even some "hardcoe" players are going to complain, and with nothing going to be done in a month or so, topic's are going to be mass produced saying "I'm leaving this game", all because they couldn't have the convenience of a simple Auction House. People who say this is not possible on a Mega Server should look directly towards Guild Wars 2, as it was done throughout 15-20 servers. All shared one Auction House. Other who have the argument it' will just ruin the economy are simply blind. The fact is, the more people play, the less materials, and rare items become, thus, the value of them greatly decrease. So their entire argument is invalid.

Another argument will be that Larger guilds will "Control" the economy, thus whatever price they set, is pretty much engraved in stone. AKA "Take it, or Leave it". Majority (from my experience), love to be able to play around with an Auction house system, buying low, and selling high, which is not going to be available in ESO. So again, the point of this system is pretty silly, considering only "So Many" Guilds are going to be able to sell materials. Keeping this in mind, we have to look at how long these guilds are going to last, or stay within ESO. I'd like to look at Tera for an example for a moment. Tera had a system where Guilds Controlled territories, yet, some guilds just straight up left Tera in a few months, leaving an uproar in what to do, because guilds couldn't afford to manage their land, and within ESO, won't be able to upkeep, or manage merchandise. Thus people are upset, nd something is done about it. As for Tera, the Guild Territorial system no longer exists. Why? because it was stupid to begin with, just like the idea of Guild Stores "only". This is why the Guild Store only system will fail, and this is why they will have to implement an Auction House in the very near future. Players will NOT agree this idea, and leave, left, right, and center.

And for those "Clueless" one's out there. Forums are a HUGE, HUGE minority of any game's general population.

I am against it because its the only way to trade and small guilds or solo careers, wont be able to have a trade system.

This system could be an extra system of exclusive trading in alliances between guilds. They can also give us vendors. I agree that AH is horrible,

Here is how I imagine that.. (I made some additions and corrections bellow).

I ve posted this idea in this topic http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1496502-have-to-join-a-guild-to-use-the-ah/page-5#entry23528682

Yesterday I saw a topic from someone who wish to have a prive guild with his friends, 5 friends... So it will happen! And all of us will have a problem with trading.

I'm not too thrilled with it.

I'll wait and see how bad the WTS/WTB spam is, but if it's bad enough that I have to shut off zone chat then so much for it being a more 'social' system.

Summed up my thoughts perfectly. ESO is a big budget MMO and in order to recuperate the initial production cost as well as pay for the dev's vision of where this game is going the game will need a sizable player base. Unfortunately, outdated systems like this simply aren't going to tract with today's general gaming population. There's a reason why AH systems have become the norm.

Fortunately, in classic TES form, players have already gone around ZOS to create their own systems.
http://www.esoah.com/

I cant understand how web based AH is going to work! You have to do so many things to sell something.

It's depressing and i don't like it what so ever. And i hope they fail with that idea horribly, are forgiven for trying and come up with something usefull.

My thoughts.

T.

This.

Do you not see the total contradiction of this statement? You can't go out looking for something different and expect to find the same thing. That's what different is.

Exactly. The more people who are involved in the economy, the cheaper items become on it. That is a broken economy. We don't want everyone getting super uber elite swords of death for 1 gold each. That would be stupid and unfair to crafters.

Yeah, I don't see that lasting very long. I doubt ZoS will like their economy being ruined.

Seriously?

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As compared to

Join trade guild
Hope someone there wants your stuff
Leave for another trade guild
Repeat multiple times
Join PvP guild
Hope they take over a keep
Wait for someone who happens to want your items to stop by your keep
Get sick of all the hoops and start spamming trade chat.