what Ashley Cheng is saying? : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:28 am

I still think that was a better interview then the time Todd Howard was interviewed and wasted time with this gametrailers person... Who seemed to be speaking irrelevantly--went off topic and started talking about the outdoor place that they were currently hosting the interview at. I thought the gametrailers person, who was interviewing, was high or something.

Kat Bailey... Wow--she is just soo enthusiastic. But she had some great questions, at least.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:59 pm

Then you obviously didn't mod Fallout very much because Fallout has MORE slots then Oblivion. IIRC they were going to do individual armor parts but decided to go back to the fallout classic body and helmet.

I KNOW you asked about the slot options when Fallout 3 was first released because I answered it. So let me refresh your memory.

Fallout 3 has the following slots.
- Head
- Hair
- UpperBody
- LeftHand
- RightHand
- Weapon
- PipBoy
- Backpack
- Necklace
- Headband
- Hat
- EyeGlasses
- NoseRing
- Earrings
- Mask
- Choker
- MouthObject
- BodyAddOn1
- BodyAddOn2
- BodyAddOn3

Now we KNOW Skyrim will have the following:
- Body
- Boots
- Gloves
- Helm

And we can assume we will have at least these:
- Ring 1
- Ring 2
- Amulet
- Tail (For beast races)
- Hair (Been in every game
- Head (Same as hair)
- Ears

Now, we can't say for sure if there are any additional slots like Fallout, though its safe to say there will be other slots I have not mentioned, and if lucky, Bethesda will take modding into consideration and give us some extra slots like Fallout.

Since when was this about cosmetics?

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:00 pm

To all of those who are saying that the removal of greaves as a separate armor slot is bethesda "dumbing down" the game - how does that make any sense, whatsoever? How does merging greaves and cuirass make the game "dumbed down"? Someone that isn't smart enough to figure out a separate chest piece and legs piece does not have the capacity to play an elder scrolls game at all.

Secondly, how does the merging fit into the "its the consoles' fault" theory? What aspect of a console's limitations would make Bethesda merge the cuirass and greaves?

The average gamer, regardless of which platform they play the game on, would have no trouble with separate armor pieces.

The only reason, im my opinion, for them to merge the cuirass and greaves slots is to make the smithing process work better.

I doubt that the slots have been combined, but even if they have been, what is the huge deal? How does ONE less armor slot take away from the game at all? Is it really that big of a dissapointment that you can't use iron greaves with a steel cuirass? Sure, it takes out a SLIGHT part of customizing how your character looks (very slight), but why does that even matter so much? In my opinion, the merging could even make the game slightly better. I would prefer my armored greaves to match with my cuirass, it doesn't make much sense to be wearing leather greaves with a cuirass that is made from a completely different material (i.e. steel).

Agree with you on the dumbing down part, yes most causal players get into problems then they have to dress themselves. Regularly forget underwear and sometimes pants.
Let me see I found some stuff on the guy I killed, let me see “I don’t know that greaves is but it look like some sort of pant, let me try to equip it and see if it shows up on my head” , “strange it replaced my pants and now my armor rating has increased”.

The reason for combining is to give the designer more freedom in creating armor, in Oblivion they had to make sure all tops fitted with all bottoms and this reduced the designers options.
However I don’t like it I often used tops and bottoms who don’t fit together.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:46 pm

Yes Armor slots are as follows

Boots
Gauntlets
Helmet
Greaves/Cuirass/Pauldrons

most likely also
Rings (2)
Amulets/Necklaces

i was looking forward to skyrim, oh well.... there is a dragon age 3 coming soon

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:11 pm

i was looking forward to skyrim, oh well.... there is a dragon age 3 coming soon

HAHAHAHA have fun...

keep in mind VSIONS made a cryptic comment about not assuming and waiting until we know for sure

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:44 am

But why?...im really disappointed with this design choice

Its the ME2 style of RPG

People dont want choices breaking into their hack and slash action pew pew bam pow

They want to push X and have awesome happen

They cant slow down to actually look at armor pieces to see which greaves is better then the rest

They have to be flinging spells and slashing necks

Its just another form of streamlining

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:43 am

dont assume peoples

wait till you know for sure.

Hmmmm...

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:43 pm

Lame.

I was looking forward to swappable pauldrons but now we get even more simplified.

I really hope this is wrong and just a horrible misunderstanding either by the journalist or the translators.

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:44 am

Its the ME2 style of RPG

People dont want choices breaking into their hack and slash action pew pew bam pow

They want to push X and have awesome happen

They cant slow down to actually look at armor pieces to see which greaves is better then the rest

They have to be flinging spells and slashing necks

Its just another form of streamlining

Can you stop labeling people like they're imbeciles? I swear, every time I see this statement I can't help but think how flawed yet overused it is. Unbelievable.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:30 pm

Edit: so vsions confirmed that we're assuming wrong, then?

god, i hope so... because that would be the final straw for me, if armor was reduced to garbage like that.

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:35 am

are you [censored] KIDDING ME?!?!

now we have even LESS armor?!

not only are pauldrons still connected to cuirasses, but now greaves are, too?!!!

...well, that proves it... bethesda didnt listen to a single damn thing their fans said over the years.

riots start over spears and pole arms... we get concept art of them, then they say "sorry, no spears, haha!"

the fans riot over armor being glued together, they keep telling us this is NOT going to be like fallout... and yet skyrim is almost exactly like fallout 3, they use the location discovery text, while armors arent ONE piece, THEY MAY AS WELL BE!!! :swear: gauntlets are still stuck together... and not only are pauldrons still glued to the cuirass, but now greaves are, too.

i doubt clothing is gonna be any better.

well, i am officially [censored] off... bethesda actually managed to ruin my interest, despite me sticking by them the whole way... god, i give up!

dont assume peoples

wait till you know for sure.

(Vsions is a dev, by the way)

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:33 am

are you [censored] KIDDING ME?!?!

-snip-

well, i am officially [censored] off... bethesda actually managed to ruin my interest, despite me sticking by them the whole way... god, i give up!

Are YOU kidding ME?

Or have you honestly decided not to buy Skyrim based on this interview?

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:30 am

Get over it and stop crying like a baby. Yea you have the right to cry like a baby but I also have a right to tell you crybabys to stop crying.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:37 pm

so would I

I don't know who Oblivion was too complicated for that Bethesda is marketing to. :shrug:

but i think there is hope, Vsions did say not to assume, so im guessing thats there Bethesda response, kinda like how they stepped in about page 48 of the GI article being a screenshot or not.

Also, Theres http://i.imgur.com/UzGEE.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/MNsXV.jpg and im pretty sure they show separate greaves and cuirass, unless most of the greaves are skirts.

EDIT: knight ifrit, i got your khajiit link, but haven't seen the bone armor yet....and ya, people get a little worked on these forums

Yeah the picture got removed from the topic because bethsda havent released it yet, ive seen it a few times its from ps3 official mag n it looks awesome. Lol yea just a little worked up.

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:21 am

Maybe its my dated old man "CRPG" gamer perspective but the more equipable item slots the better imo. It allows for greater customisation and cooler mix'n'match looks.

I truly hope someone breaks the trend of "CUT CUT CUT" and for once builds a game with "MORE MORE MORE" like they use to back in the previous century.
I would build them a shrine and spend the rest of my days roaming the wild net and extolling their virtues in terry-toweling robes.

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:38 am

Get over it and stop crying like a baby. Yea you have the right to cry like a baby but I also have a right to tell you crybabys to stop crying.

Riveting narrative, comrade.

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:53 am

Gah, why do people keep on thinking he confirms that greaves and cuirass are combined?! :banghead: Not once does he say this! In fact, he gos on about how much customization there is with mixing and matching armour pieces.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:16 pm

I think that one thing worth considering is a certain shop in the Shivering Isles. That shop is called 'The Missing Pauldron' and gives me a bit of hope that, with the release of Oblivion, the developers realised that people liked having seperate pauldrons and the naming of this shop is an admission that they should have been in the game. I'm hoping that this means they won't make the same mistake again. It's obvious that the more armour slots the better - if the only reason for removing them is because of clipping issues, surely they could have foud a better way around the problem than just taking them out entirely. Here's hoping.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:21 pm

Get over it and stop crying like a baby. Yea you have the right to cry like a baby but I also have a right to tell you crybabys to stop crying.

...and we have the right to tell you that you have absolutely no right to tell others what to do, because you REALLY dont.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:41 pm

i was looking forward to skyrim, oh well.... there is a dragon age 3 coming soon

Its the ME2 style of RPG

People dont want choices breaking into their hack and slash action pew pew bam pow

They want to push X and have awesome happen

They cant slow down to actually look at armor pieces to see which greaves is better then the rest

They have to be flinging spells and slashing necks

Its just another form of streamlining

Lame.

I was looking forward to swappable pauldrons but now we get even more simplified.

I really hope this is wrong and just a horrible misunderstanding either by the journalist or the translators.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Please read the [censored] thread, people. Has there been a great influx of children with no critical thinking skills, common sense, or the ability to listen as of late???

For the last time: Nothing is confirmed. vsions says the OP is wrong. Cheng said nothing of any consequence related to armor in any way.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:38 pm

... So then this confirms it? ...Why, bethesda?

This ^

WHY!!!

For lack of a better word it seems stupid.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:05 pm

dont assume peoples

wait till you know for sure.

I love you. <3

I thought that after all of this outrage about something like that (and the fact I haven't heard a single positive response to even more armour slot reduction) you guys had to notice eventually.

» Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:45 am

dont assume peoples

wait till you know for sure.

i dont know... how can we be sure this is confirming we're wrong about this?

i mean, this could be a trick to get us all to buy the game, see that we were right, and by then its too late to boycott the game because we already wasted money on it!

im not going to feel any better until we get some real proof that armor isnt being fallout-ized. :nope:

i wanna see screenshots showing every armor slot available, so i hope those come soon.

until then, im gonna be depressed and angry.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:19 pm

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Please read the [censored] thread, people. Has there been a great influx of children with no critical thinking skills, common sense, or the ability to listen as of late???

For the last time: Nothing is confirmed. vsions says the OP is wrong. Cheng said nothing of any consequence related to armor in any way.

VSIONS actually said that he couldn't confirm or deny anything.

» Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:36 pm

Gah, why do people keep on thinking he confirms that greaves and cuirass are combined?! :banghead: Not once does he say this! In fact, he gos on about how much customization there is with mixing and matching armour pieces.

The first thing he says in response to being asked if armor was all in one set was that they were trying to make it so "people get into the game faster" Then when moves onto answering the armor question, he says "it's not one compete armor set per se" The "per se" indicating that it's still an armor set in some fashion. The mixing and match of boots, gloves, and helms he talks about is him saying that even thought legs and torso and merged, you still have those.

Then there's the inventory that showed both complete sets of elven and iron, both without pants.