What Became of Vivec?

Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:51 am

I had suddenly awful premonition: Star Wars: The Vivec Unleashed.

you don't need to shoot electricity from your hand when you ARE your enemy and yourself.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:01 pm

All I can say is that Bethesda gave Akatosh one hell of a headache. The problem with Vivec is that Bethesda made the main quest compleatable with Vivec dead. The rumors in oblivion might not mean anything at all. I do not recall anyone saying that Vivec was seen post-Morrowind. The trial, I beleive, is semi-cannon because if Vivec was killed before it, then how could he have been tried? The fact is, telling which Morrowind story is true is near impossible. Also, like I said, Bethesda can't pull just have Akatosh pull another Dragon Break because one ending in Morrowind included Vivec's death, while the other includes him living. Seeing as this problem with Vivec is not cleared up fully in Oblivion, we can only assume one thing; Vivec is dead, and telling whether or not Neravarine or Dagon killed him is both impossible and nearly pointless.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:44 am

All I can say is that Bethesda gave Akatosh one hell of a headache. The problem with Vivec is that Bethesda made the main quest compleatable with Vivec dead. The rumors in oblivion might not mean anything at all. I do not recall anyone saying that Vivec was seen post-Morrowind. The trial, I beleive, is semi-cannon because if Vivec was killed before it, then how could he have been tried? The fact is, telling which Morrowind story is true is near impossible. Also, like I said, Bethesda can't pull just have Akatosh pull another Dragon Break because one ending in Morrowind included Vivec's death, while the other includes him living. Seeing as this problem with Vivec is not cleared up fully in Oblivion, we can only assume one thing; Vivec is dead, and telling whether or not Neravarine or Dagon killed him is both impossible and nearly pointless.


That is the Back Path. It is alternate to the main story, which means it is an alternate reality. We can only assume that the proper, "front path" of the Main Quest is the canon one.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:38 am

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not in TES. Any possible outcome happened, it depends on how YOUR Neravarine handled it.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:41 am

I agree with Bethesda trying to give players the right to make there own story, but we've seen multiple game characters (who we could've killed) from Morrowind back in Oblivion, either in person or through rumors. Why not Vivec? (ok, a possible answer could be: he's an important character. But then again, if Bethesda would decide something about this 1 character, maybe they want to use him again in Skyrim or in the next part, than that's fine to me. As long as they don't do that too often.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:13 am

If he achieved CHIM in secret, even if you destroy his body and take the back path of Morrowind he's not really dead. He's just disembodied and doesn't care to make a new one yet.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:34 pm

That is the Back Path. It is alternate to the main story, which means it is an alternate reality. We can only assume that the proper, "front path" of the Main Quest is the canon one.

Don't you "kill" him while the Heart is still powered? He's still a god at the time.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:40 am

Circle talking.

Full stop.

Forget Vivec (at least in this regard) for the coming times. That is, until [NUMINIT].
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:31 am

How Alduin is defeated: Vivec eats him.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:26 pm

And Alduin literally turns white for being so scared just before Vivec eats him :P
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:23 pm

Circle talking.

Full stop.

Forget Vivec (at least in this regard) for the coming times. That is, until [NUMINIT].

Until the Mortal Death of his own soul, the fulfillment of the Wheel: when those priests' sins are eaten, and the blaspheme ends.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:41 pm

The Nerevarine is the player, and for that reason he is left out of accounted events after Morrowind to allow further player freedom. What the Nerevarine thought of Vivec could have been anything. I like to think the Nerevarine was offered the choice for vengeance, but turned it down, and yet remained somewhat disdainful toward Vivec. Of course, that is only my Nerevarine's actions.


You just described why Vicec's fate is also left out of accounted events after Morrowind to allow further player freedom. Whatever the Nerevarine was and directly influenced is up to the imagination. Don't act like your version is any better than mine. Anything mentioning Vivec post Morrowind is only rumors and gossip. Thus the version where my Nerevarine threw the backstabbing fetcher into a Soulgem is just as plausible.

That is the Back Path. It is alternate to the main story, which means it is an alternate reality. We can only assume that the proper, "front path" of the Main Quest is the canon one.


There's no such thing as "canon" in this series. Sure you have "history" that you can find in the books of the series. But anything directly describing the events of either game is nothing but a vague rumor left up to the imagination.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:39 pm

You just described why Vicec's fate is also left out of accounted events after Morrowind to allow further player freedom. Whatever the Nerevarine was and directly influenced is up to the imagination. Don't act like your version is any better than mine. Anything mentioning Vivec post Morrowind is only rumors and gossip. Thus the version where my Nerevarine threw the backstabbing fetcher into a Soulgem is just as plausible.



There's no such thing as "canon" in this series. Sure you have "history" that you can find in the books of the series. But anything directly describing the events of either game is nothing but a vague rumor left up to the imagination.


I was merely reinforcing your idea in that the Nerevarine's actions regarding Vivec is entirely up to the player. I offered my own Nerevarine's actions to support the fact that each player can have their own versions. You had yours, and I didn't mean to sound as though I was judging it. I was just saying that indeed we can each have our own theories and fates, and I presented my own as another example. I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking your own views.

And in response to your second statement; of course there is canon. But it as you say, anything directly describing the events of the games are vague rumors that we can build upon to fit around or with our own characters. My assumption that the Back Path is alternate to canon is solely based on it's name. It seems to indicate that it's another, darker alternative to the Main Quest. It just seems more likely that the front path would be the canon one. Of course, each person's Nerevarine could take either path, and that is why the events directly relating to the events of Morrowind are obscure. The canonicity here is left to our imagination.

Canonicity is very much present in TES, there is just less of it based around the events of each game.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:56 pm

Vivec has wandered off because the TES plot (or "people of Morrowind", if you prefer) doesn't need him at the moment. His narrative function is on hiatus. As MK implied, he's on holiday. I reckon he predicts it in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-thirty-six-lessons-vivec-sermon-eighteen

Vivec knew that his doubt made him the sword of the Triune and so he did not feel shame or fear. Instead, he explained and these are the words:

'Can a member of the Invisible Gate become so archaic that its successor is not so much an improvement of the exact model, but rather a related model that is just needed more because of the currency of the world's condition? As the Mother, you do not have to worry, unless things in the future are so strange that even Seht cannot understand. Neither does the Executioner or the Fool, but I am neither.

'These ideals are not going to change in nature, even though they may change in representation. But, even in the west, the Rainmaker vanishes. No one needs him anymore.

'Can one oust the model not because the model is set according to an ideal but because it is tied to an ever-changing unconscious mortal agenda?'


That's my theory, anyways.
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Post » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:50 pm

Well, V-man played his part in Morrowind, and has disappeared as his role has been fulfilled. It would be interesting to see notes of his musings, thoughts, and such scattered around, but he's done what he was required. He wrote the sermons as a giant instruction book, using metaphors to explain an unexplainable subject, and set in motion many events that are now affecting Nirn. His musing in sermon 18 sounds like what has been discussed; he's done and it's time for a new being to come into the picture to take over.
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