Inconsistency and symbolic talk :shakehead:

The fact that the girls that like me, I don't like back and the girls I like, don't like me back.

Sounds like you're batting on the wrong team, son.

OR, you want what you can't have.

Uh, not sure how that would make me gay... It's not like every girl you go out with you love and want to marry you is it? I've been out with a few girls lately (nothing serious, just coffee or dinner) and a few of them really liked me but I just didn't feel that spark. I saw a girl I was crushing on hard a few days ago and talked to her for awhile and just being around her made me nervous, something I haven't felt around women in a long time. I still have a giant crush on her but I'm consulting my female friends so I don't mess it up again lol.

The fact they are different than me physically. That makes me uncomfortable.

The fact girls think that, just because I cant be ina crowd of more than seven without beign uncomfertable, that they are making me nervous, and feel the need to pity me. Almost every girl I know. THat, and theyre all stronger than me.

Nah, dude, I was making a joke saying you SHOULD be gay, not that you are.

Nervous around girls? C'mon, bro, I thought we were past that stage. Keep on being the awesome guy you are, and she'll come to you. If it helps, convince yourself she's into you already. When you know you don't have to try, you won't be nervous.

Thanks man, I'm a little slow with text jokes sometimes haha. I've already convinced myself that she's into me, it's a long story but I can't call/text her and I gotta use FB to get to her. I'm not nervous around any girls but her, so thats how I can tell there's definatly that spark I was missing with the other girls I was seeing. I guess even the most confident of guys can turn into a stammering mess when they see the girl of their dreams

I hate turning into a big girl with stuff like this, but I can't really control what I feel either. I'm really hoping this works out, but if I've learned anything its I'll regret not asking her out more than asking her out and being rejected.

Edit: Its funny how that works, the less you care the more attractive you seem

dialogue between me and my gf:
Me:"Where are you going?"
GF: "Well, yesterday, I went shopping with my friend, I told you I think, and we went to the mall and..."
Me: "Where are you going?"
GF: "Don't interrupt me, I'm telling you; Ok, I saw that shoes at footlockers, thats just across macdonalds, or is it a burger king...? No no, a KFC! And they looked awesome, the shoes, so I thought I..."
Me: "So you're going to footlocker?"
GF: "Yes, but before that I meet [friends name] at the coffee shop and then ....".
Me: "Have fun! Bye."

;)

I have the same problem lol

But apart from that women are perfect as they are, except most of them don't get my sense of humour. Oh and periods, I hate their periods... Makes some of them grumpy... :verymad:

Why do guys talk to the television? They can't hear you. The actors/contestants/players are not inside the tv box waiting on your guidance and if they were they'd have so many people yelling at them that they'd go deaf in 3.2 seconds. It's driving me insane!

Try again. Girls do that too especially with soap opera.

They still make soap operas? o.O

Anyone have some duct tape I can borrow?

I love my girlfriend of two years to death...

...but when I go to Target real quick to pick up shampoo, she has to browse every single aisle in the store.

Come on lady, IWANNAGOHOME!!

There are bazillions of them. Where do you live, the moon?

I retract this statement

You could kill two birds with one stone and tape the toilet seat down while you're at it.
I just throw shoes at the TV when I find that my mouth has been taped shut like that....and mumble.
We must resemble the door knockers in the movie "Labyrinth"...
Her in her headphones, "No good, can't hear a thing."

Most women have blunt attitudes. Hate that.

Gawd I've been away for awhile.. and great debate threads like this start floating up..


sweeeeet......

So, ok, the ladies. Things I have noticed in my life concerning the opposite gender..


Brain hard wiring.
Yes, men have very specific hard wiring in our brain that breaks down into roughly three segments: The top half, the bottom or the legs. you ladies know it. and use it whenever you need to get our attention and it works, yay...

but you ladies are just as hard wired as we are -granted, with certain differences- but still it's there, except you deny this hard wiring to the fullest. As if you didn't have specific Pavlovian reactions -Which I won't discuss here



Field day.
Women's cleaning skills are no match for a former marine (granted, most guys are slobs, but we don't pretend that cleaning is inherent to our genetic make up).
Ladies, you could take some pointers from me and not assume that you know better just because I'm a guy and you're not. When I clean you can eat off the toilet seat and all dust bunnies are removed from behind/under/on top of whatever furniture there happens to be. If you can see it, you can reach it (ladders) and thus, you can clean it.



Digging up old cows.
If I did something wrong a month ago, it would really help me as a human being if I was made aware of my mistreatings at the time it happened, and not a month later in the form of

"..and another thing! Last week bla bla bla, yadda yadda yarf."

Honestly, do ladies really thing we keep all of our mistakes categorized in our head, ready for cross examination at the drop of a hat? Hell no! we have enough on our minds trying to discypher whether "Does this make me look fat" is a trick question or not (guys, IT'S ALWAYS A TRICK QUESTION!!!!!!)

And yes, we will forget dates, anniversaries and appointments. Sorry.



Slanted equality.
We have to treat women equally, or we get our jewels handed to us. So why is it that I get soo much flak -from women- about raising my son on my own?

"Where's the mother?"
"Why isn't he with his mother?"
"Surely it can't be healthy for a child to be raised by a cancerous old marine?"



AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This.does.my.head.in.

I am the better choice, deal with it!





Being one of the guys.
Ladies, if you think that in the heat of anger you can hit me, then I'm gonna assume you can take what you're dishing out.

Yes, this means I hit back.

After all, we're all equal, right?



Edit:
I was just coming off of a really bad phone call with the mother of my son, who decided to rain on my day for a half hour just prior to posting this.

It's psychology. Pay attention to everything she does, expand and interpret the important things, and you get a reliable guideline for how she acts. For instance, your theory on caring less and seeming more attractive. That plays well for those types whom want what they can't have. So, tease a gal with something trivial, like a drink or ask if she wants to do one thing, and when she says yes, decide you're gonna go somewhere else. If you start yanking something away from her and she reaches back out for it, you have a girl who likes little games like teasing. What's a bigger tease than being just nice enough that she can convince herself you're interested, but being distant enough that she actually isn't certain and just wants to spent time with you until she is.

Excelling at practical psychology takes about all the fun out of human interaction, unless you're a control freak. I'm not. :/



Dude, you're probably my favorite person on BSF. Also, points for serving your country.

"You're such a good guy, mt_pelion. Why can't all guys be more like you?"

Sound familiar? She always seems to be dating dirtbags, and then wonders out loud where all the good guys have gone. "I'm a good guy!" you think, but she never shows any romantic interest in you. This is because you've fallen into the friend zone, mate. Probably because you put her on top of some high pedestal and didn't everything she asked. Consequently, you've shown no confidence - she's not interested in you because you're not a man. You've become a big sister. Stop putting women on pedestals - they don't like it and you'll get nothing out of it. Women are people. That's it. Women don't want a "nice guy". They want a funny, confident, charming, snarky, cocky guy.


This isn't some sort of societal thing we follow "just because" - This is biology right here. Men are the ones who make the decision (the good men do, anyway) - this conveys confidence and attracts women. That's why men traditionally propose and ask women out on dates.


You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Ask her out - chances are you'll get rejected. Stare yourself in the eyes, and say, "SO?!" Everyone gets rejected at least once. Rejection is the silliest common fear on this planet, and the only way to get rid of that fear is to get rejected a lot. If you go into a situation expecting to get rejected, but you do it confidently, it'll be excellent practice for future interactions with other girls.


If you first show interest in a woman, then show disinterest in her (or interest in another woman), she'll start to wonder why you aren't talking to her anymore. It shows you have a thousand other options, and, believe it or not, she actually start competing for your attention.

Nah man I agree with you, I'm going out for coffee with her in a few days, and I think what attracted her to me in the first place is what we talked about earlier in the thread I hate being a control freak, it stresses me out and makes me unhappy all the time, I'd rather just go with it becuase when I do that over try to make everything perfect, I find it works out better in the end lol. I'm just going to act the same way as I do on a normal first date, be nice and listen, but not share my entire life story haha.

All I meant about the less attention thing is that with girls I know like me but I don't like back seem to try harder the less I do. I absolutely hate playing with people so I just let them know if I'm not interested.



I did and we're going for coffee later this week. I hadn't seen her for awhile but ran into her randomly and we had a pretty nice conversation, so I thought, what do I have to lose? I've been rejected in the past before and I've only become comfortable with women because, like you said, I've been rejected before and in awkward situations with girls before.

I'm not going to try and play mind games though, I actually like this girl so I'm going to act like myself. If it doesn't work out, I don't care because I want to be with someone who likes me for me.

EDIT: Messed up that first quote lol

From my experience, I can generalize that women think men should be able to read women's minds.
Well, I can't. I need her to hit me on the head with a brick and tell me what's on her mind. But this only happens if I bring that up.
This is a major factor in male-famale interactions, leading to all sorts of problems due to miscommunication.
It's wierd, because the women tend to say they value communication. I think they just want to play mind games.
So before I dated my wife, I told her up front I am not into mind games. I just wont play that game.
We have been happily together for 10 years now.

Another example: I was at a local pub. There was a really hot girl there, and men were checking her out, tending to her, and basically playing her game for attention.
I ignored her completely. The next thing I know, she comes up to me and asks if I want to shoot pool with her. We started talking and she gave me her number, which I didn't ask for.
So that whole psychology thing that has been mentioned in other posts totally works.

None of them are as twisted as me. Well, not the pretty ones at least.

Wanting equality only when it suits them, expecting to be treated like a princess otherwise.

Thinking men are mind readers.

Getting so emotional over nothing and being unable to have a discussion with them that doesn't end in "blah blah blah just because I say so".

A serious lack of making me sandwiches.

I'm gonna add onto something I think is better driven home by being mentioned as much as possible.

Men aren't mind readers. The types of girls who expect men to be, simply don't accept that their hints are by no means vague. "I don't feel like going out tonight" just says that she wants to do something at home, so there's a guy's cue to ask about things to do at home. Apparently, "I don't feel like going out tonight" was supposed to be all the guy needed in order to know she wants to cook something together, watch a kung fu flick, and snuggle real close. SO, when the guy keeps asking if she wants to do this, or how about we do that, he shows he didn't connect A to H. The girl gets upset that he somehow can't figure it out and punishes him by refusing to spell out what she wants. How does the evening end? Someone most likely gives up and doesn't bother anymore. They probably give up and go to bed upset at each other.

I normally avoid blaming anyone, but in a scenario like this, who can honestly hold the guy culpable? When she doesn't tell him anything more than letting him know she wants to stay in, how can he discern what she wants without playing 20 Questions?

I'm not saying girls need to stop playing games, I understand "the thrill of the hunt". It can do wonders, however, for her to understand when he needs a bone thrown to him. He's grateful, he's happy, he gets the show on the road. She gets what she wants, even though the game didn't last all 20 questions, and she just needs to not let herself think this means he doesn't care about her or doesn't know her well at all. It just means the couple is mature enough to compromise.

In the end, I'm all for "don't dish out what you can't take".