Basically, my philosophy is this:

If you treat me well, I will do the same to you. If you treat me badly, then go [censored] yourself.

It has served me well so far.


Thank you, this needs to be said. If you want somethign from me, just tell me. Is that so hard? I mean, if a friend of mine calls me and says "We should do something." I ask "What?". Do you know what happens next? He tells me what he wants to do, or at least suggest something. He does not say "You don't get me at all!" only to hang up on me. Why? Because I'm not a damn psychic and he knows that.

Also on that note, women or people in general who believe in psychics or people who can read the future...well, don't annoy me really, I think it baffles me would be better. Most seem to be women in my experience.

Urge - That's well enough, but too many feel that because they THINK they were wronged, they're entitled to get what they THINK is fair revenge. I think your outlook works just fine. You probably don't have any serious problems with people.

In general, people are just childish. My age, your age, 16, 60, people just refuse to get over themselves. That's the problem.

I hate to necromance this thread but I have something else that annoys me. When you meet a girl for coffee, have great conversation for a few hours, make a plan to do something later and then they dont return your call. Usually I'm pretty dead on with telling if a date went well or not, but the odd time this happens it just svcks.

Man this is a great thread And I actually agree with most of the things you guys say about women. I hate it when I catch myself doing some of the things that are mentioned here (friend zoning nice guys, saying nothing is wrong when really something is wrong) but they're really hard to avoid. For some reason, nice guys just aren't very attractive. It's not fair, but it's mainly true. Many nice guys don't get girls until they're in their thirties and the women want children and are looking for decent fathers instead of sixy douchebags. And that's a long wait. And as for the "what's wrong?" *sigh* "nothing...." that's usually when something really trivial has upset us and we know it's so stupid to be upset about that and we don't want to tell you guys because we're afraid you'll laugh at us or try to explain why it's silly in that man-logical way like you often do.

Things that bother me about men are: the burping and farting (I know they're normal bodily functions and most guys think they're funny but I mostly think it's rude and gross), and the way some men seem to glorify women and relationships. A male friend of mine was once talking about how lonely he was and how badly he wanted a girlfriend to share stuff with. He wasn't just looking for a girlfriend, he wanted someone who would understand him and support him and share everything in her life with him, and that would just have been waaaay too much pressure for a teenage girl! In the end I'm really glad he didn't get a girlfriend back then because it would definitely have ended badly and he would have blamed the girl for his own depression. Thank goodness not a lot of guys are like that, and my friend has come off it since then. If I ever think of anything else I'll definitely post it in here.

I just feel the need to reply to this

I was thinking the other day, most guys I know, myself included don't say anything when something is wrong either. It's a lot more obvious to pick up on but for guys everyday seems to be great (awesome day), good (average day) and fine (bad day) and not much else is said. I'm just trying to get at the point that both girls and guys do this, so I try to sympathize with girls who do this. On the topic of the friend zoning nice guys, it doesn't matter how nice you are if you are boring. Being a nice man is much more attractive, as in you're a kind, good person but you have more dimensions than that. Instead of always being at the girls feet you live independently, but aren't a big [censored] bag. Ive been told that I'm nice a lot of times before, but I still don't have much problems with girls just because I'm assertive and confident for the most part (now I'm starting to sound like a [censored] lol).

Yeah that is kinda true. When I think 'nice guy' I somehow think of those guys that are super nice but just let everyone walk all over them and try to please everyone all the time, and that's what's unattractive.

I agree, I think this is just people in general.

When I had to drive my dads manual to school, people were like "You drive stick?!"
Automatics are so widely used today most people can't usually use them, unless your in more rural areas from my experience.


This might not be but I find women to be impatient drivers because as soon as the light turns green they immediately blow the horn even though it was only a .00001 of a second and when I look back through my mirror its always a woman.

I bet theres plenty of guys that do this too, but for people in general WTF is your problem? Then since they do that I decide to wait their a few 30 seconds or more.

As in, a car with gears ? :unsure: They're all like that here. Didn't even know there was any other sort before I was 24 or so.

Fairly odd comment.

Is there something you'd like to tell us? :stare:

... You realize it's 6:30 here and I'm only on my fifth mug of coffee ? :huh: You'll have to be less cryptic.

Unless you mean that I often go ha-ha at abridged american cars ? I do. Very often.

Automatic transmission = abridged cars.

I chuckled. Well done.

I shall not be ...

As much as I'd like to drive an automatic, I'm too familiarized with standard.

*Gives up*

Time to fish out a post from a guy saying that women don't speak plain (oh, I'm sure there's one) and have a good long laugh.

Excellent words from a woman's point of view! Really simple explanation for all this too: Biologically, males are the dominant ones. Look at any animal in the kingdom.

Being a nice guy, bowing to their every need, putting them on a pedestal, isn't attractive because it isn't asserting dominance. Women are hard-wired to be submissive, and they find dominance incredibly attractive (I might just be pulling numbers out of my ass, but something like 75% of women have [censored] fantasies). A non-dominant guy isn't going to be able to defend her and her offspring against that dinosaur over there.

Mind you, they also don't want jerks. But teasing a woman, acting a bit cocky or cheeky, and acting like you don't really need her and you've got a million other girls ready to jump your bones demonstrates your social value and, as a result, your dominance.

This is all stuff I really wish I knew back in highschool.

EDIT: [censored] is censored, but I'm sure you can all figure out what I'm talking about.

Uh, you might want to stay within humans for that example. That doesn't apply to several animal kingdoms, and isn't universal to mammals either.

Man I know some angry feminists who'd wanna kick your ass for saying that But it's mainly true. I guess I just friend zone all those guys because deep inside I know they can't protect me from that dinosaur over there.

Given all the ignorant, unfounded statements he's been littering the thread with so far, maybe he should just stay away altogether.



Unless you can provide some hard evidence (like, say, a peer reviewed study published in a reputable journal), then you are actually pulling [censored] out of your ass. And that goes for both of your of claims, the first moreso than the last, though even having [censored] fantasies are not indicative of an actual desire to be dominated, and there's even less to support the notion of such a desire to be genetic rather than sociological in origin.

While he may not be 100% accurate and I doubt there are any peer reviewed journals for him to cite, I think you missed the point a bit. All he meant was as a man, if you just allow people to walk all over you, give in to anything and generally don't stand up for yourself, it's unattractive. I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying you need to be a overly testosterone filled [censored], just that you need to have confidence and at the beginnning of a relationship don't show how much you really care.

Women are not hard wired to be submissive, that is a load of hogwash. Women, and for that matter, many mammilian females, are hard wired to be nuturing, communicative, and tend to utilize social dynamics to their advantage. It in no way makes them submissive. For the early humans, bandining together and sharing resources, including shelter, food, and technology enabled evolutionary adaptations such as opposable thumbs, upright gait, and extensive brain development. Females were better at sharing responsiblities, compromising, and smoothing ruffled feathers, instead of being programmed to engage in contests of urination and reproductive organ length.

Bonobo societies are one example of a mammilian society where rule is matriarchial.

As for nature, there are plenty of arthropods, flowers, fish, birds, and reptiles where the female calls the shots, and sometimes, the male ends up being dinner.


I think the thing that bothers me the most about men is that too many of them have the desire to control the female reproductive system, and with it, make assumptions about the moral, ethical, intellectual, and societal position of women, without any regard whatsoever of the conditons they proscribe.

I will never understand them, never.

No matter how many articles, or how many scientific studies....we will never understand the opposite six.

NEVER.

But that's the beauty of it. It's like a never-ending epic quest full of mystery and adventure.

Its a hate and love kind of thing really.

I love to find new things out and at the same time I'm left in the dark.

I'm sure this has been stated but, JEALOUSY.

I can't handle it.

Guys, please don't follow this advice. Nobody likes to be teased or shown that they are unwanted, regardless of gender. I can guarantee you that outside of the odd misguided teenage girl, such action will result in the girl feeling unwanted, angry and upset and very likely leaving your sorry butt. The last thing women want is to be is treated as though they are of no value to you and are taken forgranted or as though they are a dime a dozen. No one likes to be treated like that.

Women do not want to be treated poorly and even if by some chance she falls for it now, she will at some point wake up, gather her dignity and put a stop to it and you. She will probably hate you forever. Because such treatment borders on abuse.

Anyway, the thing I dislike most about the opposite six is that I just want them to be honest with me. Don't say what you think I want to hear or what you think I can handle, because you couldn't be further from the truth and I always know when you are lying. Just.Be.Honest.

I would say the same thing about the women I have met.