What I dislike about the opposite six: when they say things like raithen, for the reasons others stated above.

:facepalm:

Human interaction isn't something you should need scientific journals on, it's what you learn by interacting with other humans. It's ridiculous to think that by reading some articles and studies on women that you're going to have an edge and meet the perfect girl, the only way you can do that is by getting out there. There are no hard and fast rules with people, you can only use your intuition to help you. Not every interaction is going to go perfectly, but thats the fun of life, it always keeps you guessing.

No duh.

Didn't I just say that?

Well actually you made it sound like you wished that there were more things you could study to understand women. Text -> text conversations are hard that way bro

Oh, ok. Yeah I meant it as I find it usually fruitless for people to make experiments or whatever like that.

Eh. I pretty much knew something like this would happen. I should have made my post clearer: I was talking about random encounters in a pub or club, not long-term relationships. Didn't mean to offend anyone. I broke one of the cardinal rules of the PUA community: Don't talk about the PUA community. Oh dear - I've done it again.

The whole submissive thing: Yes, women find dominance incredibly attractive. Men find submissiveness incredibly attractive. Why do women date dirtbags instead of nice guys? Do they like being treated like dirt? No. They like confidence. And that collar-popping football player in highschool had a lot of confidence. Note: I'm not a misogynist. Today, we live in a society where women have equal rights and are treated like human beings. That's awesome.

If any guy here is intrigued with what I was saying and wants to learn more, or if anyone would like to have a serious discussion about what I was talking about, PM me and I can point you in the right direction. There's a whole WORLD of knowledge waiting for you.



Yeah, that might be better. Sorry! Not a biologist. I just think it's amazing to look at and realize so many things about our species just by looking at evolution and anthropology and biology.


Sorry. I should have been clearer. I was talking about chatting up a woman you just met at a pub. There are certain ways you can hold her interest. Any guy who's pvssyd up a woman knows this. Saying, "You're so great and pretty - You're like the perfect woman ever!" isn't going to make her want to be your girlfriend. There's a big difference between teasing a bit (as in, you're both having fun), and acting like a jerk. Just like how women will show interest by playfully punching your shoulder - That doesn't mean she wants to beat the crap out of you.
I never said anything about treating them poorly. (And, obviously, being in a long-term relationship is a completely different dynamic.)


Of course! I'm always happy to oblige. Please take a look at Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. "The Nature of Women's [censored] Fantasies: An anolysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents," Journal of six Research (2009) 46:33 (if you Google that, you might find a PsychologyToday article; it's the newest article I could find on the subject).

it depends on the way you word it: When women were asked if they ever fantasize about being overpowered by a man, 62% say yes. That's not the 75% I remember, but you can forgive me for forgetting the exact number. I'll be more careful in the future.

(Also, and I'm trying to write this out so it doesn't sound snide, but dude, keep your emotions in check. I think it'd be a better world if we could all discuss taboo subjects without getting heated.)

I kind of regret bring up [censored] fantasies now. the auto censor would suggest we aren't supposed to talk about it - and it is a bit heavy for this forum. I'll drop it.



Yup! All it comes down is being socially confident and self-aware. Women will notice that, and they find confidence so much more attractive than physical looks.


Well, I'm not going to fight with you. You're a smart woman (I think you said you're a teacher or professor?). Maybe "hardwired to be submissive" were the wrong words to use. Whatever the case, that doesn't mean women haven't achieved positions of dominance. Most of us here live in a society where women are paid just as much as men, they hold positions of power, and they achieve so much (my hometown is the birthplace of the first Canadian woman in space!).

Cheers!



Absoluetly. if I can offer some advice to anyone hoping to improve their interactions with women: Talk to EVERYONE. Practice is practice.

I'd say what bothers me the most about the opposite six (which is females) is the fact that they act like they have life so much harder than men. And that men are nothing but six driven dogs who are all the same. It's so hypocritical its laughable honestly.
A lot of woman I know have the "oh my, I'm a female, my life is so hard, guys treat me like scum, no guy is different so I'm going to have this condescending attitude towards every male, please feel bad for me because I'm a woman and every guy just wants my boobies! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!".

To which I promptly reply, shut the hell up. :rolleyes:
You know how many girls sleep around? Are [censored]s? Girls who treat GUYS like something to be used? Girls who constantly gossip about guys? Girls who care about nothing but six and [censored] size? Purposely dress like a prosttute to get guys to look at them? Psychologically abuse men?
C'mon. Don't try to play the "girl" card with me, because I'm not that gullible.
Aww, you're a woman. Woe is you. Woman are just as bad as men.

If you wished to carry the point of your post accross, you might have wanted to choose your words more carefully. Basically, it ends up as "women complain that men are six-hogs who treat them like objects, but that's wrong, cause a lot of women are in fact prosttutes". You understand my amusemant ?

I'd complain about the fact that anytime a woman who likes six is discussed, the wh- word will turn up in the conversation ; but the truth is, women are indeed as bad as men when it comes to that kind of namecalling. *shrug*

If that's what you gained from my post, you either read it incorrectly or simply don't understand what I'm saying.
:shrug:
It's pretty simple. Woman whine and cry about how horrible men treat them, and how men are dogs, yet woman are guilty of the exact same things to the same degree.
I don't see what else you could have gathered from that. No where did I say "most woman are prosttutes". That's absurd. I simply said some woman dress like prosttutes to get attention from guys.

Maybe then I misinterpreted the censored word in "are ....s". Still, communication is not so much about what you mean to say, but rather how you phrase it and how people end up interpreting it. From the tone of the thing I have quoted, there wasn't much leeway for interpretation. As I said in the opening of my post, I was merely commenting on your phrasing, vs. the point of your post.

I could pick at the phrase "dress like a prosttute to get attention". Ever heard about a guy that sleeps around "he dresses like a male hoker to attract the eyes" ? Nope, me either. The same way you're right in saying that women have no cause to play candid, I maintain there's still a double standard when it comes to people who sleep around. One gender gets some amount of respect, the other, scorn.

Again, not really a "what bothers me about the opposite six" thing, though : women are often first in line to enforce that double standard.

What bothers me about women is their tendency to be short. Tall women FTW!

I'm not really trying to argue semantics here lol. I posted what I find annoying about the opposite six. Which is woman acting like guys are the only "dogs" of the earth. Because that's simply laughable. Woman are just as bad.

... You antisemantic bastard [/ends House quote]. Heh, words aren't ever just words. They tell a lot about the ideas that lurk behind, either consciously or not. But I could go all "men are hogs", if that helps. :lmao:

Anyway, I can spot a tactful "drop the convo" hint. *bows out*

That's something I find strange: popular culture states that longer women are more beautiful than short ones, but when I ask around there are few men who really like tall women...

What bothers me most is stereotyping. Men say, 'women are like this.....' and expect all women to be like that. When women are individuals with their own individual ideas and beliefs. For instance, I don't fall into the 'stereotypical' woman that guys often expect me to be. Yeah I like shopping (occasionally), but I also like shooting too. Yes I bellydance, but I love kick boxing too. No, I don't need to know where my man is 24/7, I don't need to hang out of his pocket all day. In fact I would rather not know. But then it is said that women are clingy and needy. Some women I know are independant and live their own lives, they are not reliant on a man. But then some women I know are clingy.

But then that goes the other way too, when women say men are like 'blah'....when men are individuals too, with individual beliefs etc.... Most men I know do not fit the stereotypical view of 'men'.

So I guess my problem is with both sixes. :tongue:

*Gets in basket, buckles in, and enjoys the ride to hell with all the other dogs and cats.*

that they don't pay attention to me. well, technically, that is not true, as the moms sometimes, hm, compliment me on the accent or the eyes or whatever it is... but the daughters don't seem to even know i exist... or all have bfs. or something.

They think we can read minds. Damn it, I'm a doctor not a mind reader! Well, okay, I'm not really a doctor or on Star-trek either. But I really can't read minds, so why not just tell me what's going on? Sometimes I wonder if that's because guys have to be the "strong" one in the relationship. That a girl can't make the first move, otherwise that means she "wears the pants", so to speak?

Their crazy. Tall, shapely women are awesome!

Mowing lawns in summertime here is a shirtless occupation for men, not so much for the ladies.
Although we do have bikini tops. You'll sometimes see in passing, couples doing yardwork. Sadly, sometimes you wish that both genders performing the yardwork were wearing a upper body support garment.

I will say this, it is a sixy, sixy thing, to watch perspiration trickle down a man's stubbly chin. Makes me want to just reach up and tickle their neck.

she dropped hints(trust me, she did, a number of times, even if you don't know she did), so she expects you to know. if she says "baby, the light bulb in the hall burned out" she means "baby, change the light bulb in the hallway, it burned out" . and then some time later she asks "baby, can you change the light bulb?", guess what, she wants you to change the light bulb... and not questioning your ability to do it, she knows you CAN, she just sees that you didn't get the hint earlier.

this is one the most common problems; women communicate to men the same way they would to women, which is a fail(sorry girls, it is a self-defeating strategy)(at least until he learns to notice her hints). while other women understand your hints system, men, initially, do not(seems they do not). girls, you say it, not hint it; your girlfriends get your hint systems and that's great, but us guys do not, we don't think like that... without long and painstaking training.

I think it has to do with taller women being more intimidating to guys smaller than her. Personally, I don't care too much about height (unless the person is below 5'2", that's waaaaaay too short). Haven't met a girl who was over 6'1"

What bothers me the most? Passive aggressive behavior tops the charts, with low self body image coming next.

Frankly I'd wonder how she made it to advlthood without being able to change a lightbulb, but eh, I do have the benefit of being able to change it without standing on a chair.

It's just easier for me to get the damn stepladder and change the lightbulb myself. Why waste time hinting around you want the lightbulb changed?
I also don't mind taking out the trash, mowing the lawn, and other "masculine chores". But I will be damned if I am going to do every household chore, too. This is where the achilles heel of man comes into play. THE EGO. Most men, I have found, don't like being made to look like a lazy, incompetent slobs, or the opportunity it creates for another man to offer a partner advice, or more.

My biggest complaint about the opposite six is the same complaint I have about the same six: the ridiculous notion of the other gender as being some kind of separate species.

Men: if you're not getting dates it's because you're not treating women like "people". Women: if you're having trouble with men, it's because you're not treating men like "people".

Seriously, the biological differences are not that great. The psychological differences are not that great. If you had a mind-probe and cross-referenced the results in a supercomputer, you'd undoubtedly find out that 90% of the thoughts that the average woman has in a day are exactly the same thoughts as the average man has in a day. Men: that woman over there who you have such a hard time understanding is basically just you with boobs.

You know when you're getting on really well with a girl and you finish each other's sentences? That gets to happen because you're thinking the same things at the same time. Because when it really comes down to it, you're just not that different at all.