On one hand, I do think that most guys could reign in the behavior and rhetoric a bit (ok, a lot). On the other hand, the part that's actually happening in the brainses...well...we can't make that stop even if we want to. In fact, I'd love to make it stop when it's not useful for anything. I think this is one thing women will never understand about men unless they spent a week or so in a man's body. It's actually annoying and distracting as all-get-out to have a little voice in the back of your head constantly trying to make you think about naughty things. The way it's externalized...yes, that can be managed. The actual impulses? Sorry, hard-wired. Can't help ya there.

The toilet thing....toilets are designed to have the seat down, that is why it is called a seat, the clue is in the name, for sitting. Keep the seat and the lid down, for hygenic and politeness reasons. It is the height of rudeness and selfishness to leave the seat up and expect someone else to compensate for your laziness. Why should someone else have to come in, put the seat back down and then wash hands and then do what they need to? It isn't a gender thing, it is a common decency and consideration of others thing.

Another thing, like it or not many men have bad aim and even if they think they are getting it in the bowl...they are generally not. It is splashing over the side and everywhere, even if you can't see it. My number one pet peeve with one man I lived with was his selfishness about the toilet seat, especially when I was on the floor scrubbing up urine spots and splashes from behind and around the toilet bowl. Old urine that stinks up the bathroom....yeah, not romantic.

If you are going to clean up the bathroom yourself then do what you want, but at least consider taking an extra split second to put the seat back down....is it really too much to ask?

If you are going to arrogantly and selfishly leave the toilet seat up and expect me to clean the bathroom up after you all the time, and call me rediculous and over reacting when I complain about having to clean up and always having to put the seat back down.....then we have a problem. :shrug:

Exactly I second this. This is mostly caused by society viewing women as being weaker which I do not believe is true, there are some women out there who can kick any guy's ass.

I share a unisix bathroom at work and make an effort to put the seat down, but by my experience, if there is a 'mess' in the bathroom its because many ladies insist on. . . 'hovering' :P

Eh I think it all evens out in the end. Sometimes wife has to put the seat down when I leave it up, sometimes I have to put it up when she leaves it down, sometimes both of us have to lift the seat cover cuz it's down. In the end, neither of us cares, it's just a toilet seat.

lol at the toilet seat discussion.

I keep the seat down when I'm taking a crap, and keep both the seat and the lid up when taking a piss. I leave them like that.

Nancy Grace. Wait, what was the question again?

Men actually are physically stronger than women on average (without taking rare exceptions and training into account). Nothing sixist about it, it's a fact.

I agree with you both, though, as the "rule" still makes no sense; it's viewed as perfectly acceptable for a strong man to hit a weak man. Having said that, I find it hard to imagine a situation where I'd actually strike a woman, because it's pretty unlikely she'd be a danger to me* on a physical level (and yes, because it's hard to shake off the social conditioning entirely).

*This is assuming that most girls wouldn't come at me with a knife or something. You wouldn't, right? ... Right? :unsure:

I wouldn't actually hit a woman, I just find this rule very stupid. A woman slaps you so you slap her back, I see nothing wrong with that. As long as you don't punch her in the face with all your power then it should be acceptable. Oh if a woman came at me with a knife I wouldn't even hesitate, I would drop her like a hot potato in a flash. No stupid rule comes between me and my life.

i'm a guy and I have gotten into fights with my gf because she keeps leaving the toilet seat cover up.

I saw some kind of 20/20 or 60 minutes expose a few years ago that proved that if you flush with the toilet cover open, germs get on your toothbrush.

Yuck!

For the record, I do put the seat back down. Sometimes I clean up around the toilet also.
Additionally, like any other self-respecting long haired redneck, I keep a gallon jug in the garage for this purpiss (sp).

The guys that bother me are stereotypical chicks. Clingy, needy, want to talk about their feelings all the time, won't tell me what it is they want. I suppose the opposite is just as annoying, but I don't run into them as often.

The last part, I agree with. However, slapping someone for slapping you is extremely immature. I don't see why someone would act like they're six, particularly to someone they were in a relationship with.

BUUUUUT, the rules change when it's time to do what lovers do. :hubbahubba:

A teacher in high school said that, although it's perceived as valiant to not hit a woman, it is sixist.

Since that's not what this thread's about, I'd say how they pick and choose what they want in terms of sixism. As I said, not hitting them when they yell at us or hit us - not that I would, for sake of face. Having us buy their meals. Having us propose. Having us approach them.
It's just society though. In my lifetime there won't ever be true equality, and honestly it wouldn't make much difference at this point. I've given up caring about what should be socially acceptable and am just accepting what is.

Edit: sixism is the wrong word, but I don't know what the word should be. Take that however you feel.

No sweeping generalizations, I pretty much just have problems with some of our folkways and mores. Capital mentioned some. If a girl wants to get married, they should propose. If a girl wants to date someone, they should ask. Expecting the boy to do it is silly, and it is only perpetuated by guys who don't think about it or by guys who do think about it but submit to it anyway. It's just stupid.

Now I feel kinda bad because I said this; Judge Judy went to the hospital today.
I hope the best for her. She's still irritates me but it makes for good TV.
I would probably irritate her also come to think of it. They don't want me on that show.
The editors would have a night mare and it probably wouldn't air.
Get well Judge Judy!

Oh yeah! Feminists bother me. Truthfully, every little group like that bothers me. "I'm _________, so treat me equally."

Here's the thing: that's POINTLESS. Don't say "I'm a woman, treat me like a man", because when you're treated like a man, you say "You can't do that, I'm a woman!"
Don't say "I'm black, treat me like I'm white."
Don't say "I'm Jewish, treat me like I'm Catholic."
Don't say "I'm short, treat me like I'm tall."

Hell no, I will not treat you like something you are not. To be perfectly honest, I don't care. Most of the time, these types are complaining about something no one can change anyway. You can't wish yourself a different gender, skin color, or height. Demanding that people judge you by something that doesn't matter is, again, POINTLESS.

Please, anyone who reads this, do me a favor. Do us all a favor. If you are or ever know someone who complains about pointless things like this, just tell them this: "No, shut up, I'm gonna treat you like a human because that's all that matters."
It is. That's what matters. If these types got over themselves and said what they actually want people to hear, they'd all just have to say "We're human, too." [/rant]

Didn't we used to have a complete thread that discussed only the position of the toilet seat?

Since I am a guy-
bubble gum chewing with their mouth open, ditzy laughs, when they say "what?" in that valley girl way even when they know what you are talking about, thinking everything revolves around them and when things don't go their way they mope.

When you ask and ask and ask if they are ok, and they say "of course!" and then you stop asking and they start either crying or just hate you for the rest of the day. They tell you "why the heck didn't you ask what was wrong?!" and then you say "I did, like ten times and you said you were ok." then they say "well I didn't mean it!" MY LORD!!! Just tell me when things aren't ok and stop incorporating drama into everything!

Lets see... oh ya! when you are just talking about something not even related to even an ounce of anything that they need to improve or aren't even trying to diss them, they turn it around on you and call you a bleepin bleep, and hate you the rest of the day or week.

Or when you do something "wrong" to them even though it really isn't that big of a deal and you don't really need to bring it up, they won't tell you until three days later when everything is all peachy keen and nothing is going wrong then they just throw it out there and say "hey remember that thing you did three days ago?" Then you don't remember, and they get really mad and start telling you everything that you have been doing wrong... Of course I don't remember something I did wrong three days ago if it isn't that big of a deal!

whew... but you know what? by the end of all that, I am glad that women are alive, and I have a great one that puts up with all my flaws (I have the same amount of flaws). I respect them even with everything that gets to me.

Now men? They can tick me off a lot easier then women can.

Nothing because all people are different , what one thing a man might annoy me with another man will not. I am not bothered by the opposite six I am bothered by the rude and ignorant of certain men. Not by men themselves , so it short I don't sterotype men into a certain category.

Agreed. It is just like the same six, you choose who you want to be friends with and hang out with, you choose the people you enjoy being with and spending time with. Sometimes that friendship or rapport that you have with someone of the opposite six develops into something more for both of you, you end up with not only a partner but a best friend as well and any little annoyances they have can be overlooked and put to one side - just the same with any I have.

And it's all specific to the individual anyway.

When my woman does this:

Me: "wanna go to a movie or for a walk"

Her: "whatever"

Me: "let's go to the park, its nice out."

Her: "ok" *thirty minutes later* "... I really wanted to see [insert movie title]"

Me: *brain explode*


So why do women do this? Are you testing us? Is it something we are supposed to know?

There's probably very few problems shared by womankind in general. I can only think of the specific ones I know, not all of them.

What bothers me the most about the opposite six?
The only real thing that bothers me is the correlative rule I have found... the more they like me, the less likely they are to go out with me.