Well they did after a load of people stated that they would be interested in buying the privilege of that in DLC. Come on man, the whole point of Fallout 3 was sacrifice for the greater good or get shamed for letting the noble Sarah Lyon's do it instead of you. Hence why none of your companions would take your place even if immune to radiation.

This.

The Midwest doesn't exactly have a lot of cities that can be marketed for a Fallout game. There is basically Chicago, and St Louis, and thats about it.

It would be dumb to waste the one interesting thing the Midwest has, in a game not set in the Midwest.

There are Vertibirds in the pre-war sequence of FO4 as well.

Keira Knightly you mean? Who is Elizabeth Swan? I think you're confusing your movies, Legolas and Jack Sparrow have the hots for Swan. I prefer Knightly meself. Guinevere.

Doesn't the Legate come from the East, and does he not bring with him Centurions, who would be safe to assume are also coming from the East and have been fighting in the east.

What Ancient Welsh language words are used in FO3?

I didn't know that BGS is using your playthrough as the canon events of FO3 and Broken Steel.

I'm not bitter about anything, my liege.

In the name of the President of the Human Elitists, St. Michael, and Patrick Stewart, I give you the right to bear arms and the power to fulfill your celtic king's justice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC_TFoGhqUU

Bethesda listens to their fans. If their fans want something they will give it to them. I don't really think the MWBoS would be a better choice, but then I really don't think the brotherhood are in Boston in 2277. Lyon's BoS building a empire out of DC and fixing to annex the Insitute and its delicious technology with forces made up of power armoured elites with auxiliaries recruited from all types around the eastern wasteland seems like it would interface nicely with the whole Android rights thing being a bargaining chip to destablize the commonwealth. This is all fan theories though, but I kinda think that the intention for Lyon's BoS is for them to head into a moral empire/manifest destiny type of scenario.

Its said Lanius is coming from Utah, not the east.

There is no reason to bring the MWBOS into 4. Dr Li goes to Boston. East Coast Super Mutants in Boston. All the characters in FO3 that reference Boston. There is a connection between Boston and DC.

That is a good point. If it is the CWBoS, why are the BoS shown not in Enclave PA? If they gonna somehow salvage an entire fleet of Verts, why not have all that PA, Tesla Armor, Hellfire Armor...and why not use it eh?

No, no. Pretty sure that's Swan. She divorced Legolas and went to live in Englishland. Where she met Clive Owens.

Sheesh evl, this is like 5th Grade math.

Agreed.

Lyons fits so well in D.C. what with the narrative we currently have that it'll be pretty disappointing if they had to shoe-horn the MWBOS into the game.

So there were no Centurions in the West fighting the largest war that the Legion's ever fought in?

None, but Prydwen is a direct link to Arthurian lore in the sequel to the game that literally had a King Arthur surrogate in it.

[censored] argument. There is only one playthrough of Broken Steel, you go into Adams Air Force Base and kill everyone in it, no Vertibirds take off mid-battle to escape. Either everything there is dead or there's Brotherhood of Steel there since the only point of deviation is at the very end. Unless you think that Bethesda is going to make the ending where you bomb the Pentagon canon. Try again with an actual argument and come back.

Who's to say that they didn't Mr Presumptuous? Why would they show them in Enclave PA, would totally ruin the aesthetics. My bet is on T60 being upgraded T45 using Enclave PA parts.

Also you think that the game is set in 2277, maybe they didn't have enough time in your world. Who knows???

MWBoS come looking for Maxwell but as we know the airships can get blown off course and they got distracted by the Institute?

Think he did come from the east, but that doesn't mean that he was fighting BoS out there, most likely conquering even more of the tribals out there. I also think people are reading a lot into the Centurion's art assets, I don't think much more thought was given to its design than trying to convey their terrifying fighting ability through having their armour made up of literally every other form of armour you can encounter in the game. and im not saying thats a bad thing, since saying that the T-45d is proof of fighting the Brotherhood is going into the type of over anolyzing that fans do constantly but devs have little time for when they have a deadline to meet.

I think the T60 power armor will be an idea stolen from Van Buren, the Athena Power Armor.

They probably do have Enclave armour on stock, but using what they would logically use if this were the real world inside of the game would most likely cause confusion. The Enclave suits have a very specific design aesthetic that communicates that they're bad guys, with the armour menacing with spikes and having a lot of black to it. If we saw those suits being used side by side with the lighter greys of what we've seen so far of the pre-war tech, it would just cause confusion since you have two clashing aesthetics for a faction that despite making logical sense, would not make for good gameplay with the incongruity of having a faction use two completely different styles of the same kind of armour.

And thats not even counting on the Fallout 3 players having flashbacks to the Enclave landing at Project Purity and shooting up the BoS guys once they see a fancy remodel of the enclave armour on guys that they can now ally with but are wearing the armour of the bad guy mooks of the previous game.

Ah well I don't care what her name is. I just call her Miss Yummy Yums. Swan, Guinevere, Knightly. No dif.

I don't think it would necessarily be shoe-horning them in, if story fits. Ie, they hear about powerful robots and get the urge to go kill them cuz they know just how evil robots are.

-You completely misinterpreted what I meant by inclination. I mean that people would already have a bias towards their position in the apparent struggle for power: BoS v.s. Insititute v.s. Rail Road. In elaboration, people have a bias towards the Lyon's BoS because of their involvement in Fo3. It would be skewed because people often associate them as being white knights (they're not). I haven't seen or heard of any fan uproar for bringing back the Lyon's BoS. Just a bunch of people speculating that it could be the Lyon's BoS.

-I'd believe you weren't rustled by it if you didn't go digging up a two month old post to use as flame bait.

While not a in-universe reason as to why its not the MwBoS, I find it unlikely to be the MwBoS simply because they aren't made by Bethesda. Like it not, real world politics comes into play in where stuff shows up.

Bethesda gave Obsidian all of the Western United States for use in New Vegas, since people at Obsidian made Fallout 1&2, which were OFC set on the west coast, and Obsidian did use it all.
-The NCR is still in California, Nevada, and Oregon.
-The Legion is in Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Utah.
-The northwest states like Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, are said to be mostly wilderness and in ruins.

However, Obsidian never strayed beyond that territory, even when it doesn't really make sense. The Legion for example has been conquering stuff for the last 30 years, and has held all of Arizona and New Mexico for some time. Yet despite this, and despite the fact the New Mexico/Texas border is hundreds of miles long, and despite the fact several major Texas cities, such as El Paso, are just miles from the border, and Amarillo, and Lubbock, are just 70 miles from the border, no one in The Legion mentions going into Texas, or conquering any towns in Texas, despite the fact that doesn't really make sense given how expansionist The Legion are.

We hear about Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, but we don't hear about the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, or Texas. Basically, its as if a giant invisible wall came up and drove everyone away from that direction. And you know what? That invisible wall matches exactly with the border between the western U.S. and the Midwest/South.

Similarly, Bethesda have said they are east coat people, and in Fallout 3 and its DLC we hear about places all up and down the east coast. However, when we go to the Pitt, the remnants of Pittsburgh in the very western part of Pennsylvania, all we hear about are places like Erie, Ronto, D.C., and the Commonwealth, all of these places are north, north east, or south east, of The Pitt. We never hear about any places to the west of The Pitt, despite the fact Ohio has many major cities in it, all located far closer to the Pitt then Ronto and The Commonwealth are, and all of which would make for more relatable references then the small town of Erie.

And you know what? The Pennsylvania/Ohio border is the exact border between the east coast, and the Midwest. Much like Obsidian did in the west, Bethesda did in the east, and basically drew a big line in the sand, and generally left everything on the other side of the line alone, outside of token references to the locations of other games.

I highly doubt its the MWBoS in Fallout 4, becuase the Midwest, and the things in it, aren't part of Bethesda's turf, and they have so far seemingly tried to saty out of other people's turf. Obsidian has their west coast, Bethesda has their east coast, and the midwest is that land of "other people's stuff we both admit is there, but we don't really want to mess with since it isn't ours".

Hmm I really read through all four pages. So Tactics took place 50 years before Fallout 3, right? And Maxson went through their territory and made contact, right? Would they be in contact with each other? And the distance between Cheyenne and Boston is what? A thousand miles? While the distance between Boston and Washington is around 300 miles?

All depends when it takes place, that goes for both the attitude of the BoS as well, as which it might be. Tendencially I would say it is Lyon's brotherhood. If it happens anywhere after Fallout 3 the BoS might be totally different from the chapter we have seen there. I mean fresh, clean water for everyone (if this is the canon ending, which I think is a probable case), the Brotherhood as a force that can protect a large area and fill their ranks enough with really skilled people, ex-enclave, wastelanders, and so forth. Also a lot of equipment from the enclave as well, including tech. That could very well be where the Prydwen is from. The BoS could be way larger than their Western counterpart during Fallout 1. They could have opened up more as well, being a real force of good.

Fact is, BoS must see at a certain point that they can only survive, if they grow. Lyons saw that. So he might sent out a small to large expeditionary force, fully equipped. For what purpose, nobody knows.

If it plays along the same timeline or slightly before Fallout 3 it could well be another BoS, even if it is Lyons. Smaller, less well equipped, maybe outcasts even. Then again what are the chances of the Western BoS sending out another chapter directly to Boston on another route? Could have happened as well. So maybe a new chapter with a whole new backstory.

Personally I would like to see a new chapter with a new approach, though I liked Lyons approach more than McNamaras or Elijahs doomed or crazy attitudes. Still as Boston is mentioned so often in Fallout 3, and that quite a bit is known I find it safe to assume that Lyons is the most probable choice. Still we might not see him at all, and the force there might do things differently to achieve their mission. They might be quite evil, or they might be saviours, or rather neutral until you show up.

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Fo3 takes place in 2277, Tactics takes place in 2197/2198

Seeing how BGS owns the entire FO franchise, I don't think any of that stuff matters one bit.

Well, for East Coast people, they certainly didn't have any trouble stating that the West Coast brotherhood sent out an expedition into the East Coast in order to establish their presence.

With that said, Tactics lore is up for grabs and they can do what they want with it. They may be leaving the west coast for Obsidian's potential sequel, but no one is doing jack [censored] with Tactics.

They'll keep the story on the East Coast, but that doesn't mean they won't cross the proverbial line in the sand and introduce an older character or faction.

I think it does given how they moved Fo3 out of the west coast, and into the east coast, then either made up totally new factions, or took small splinters from previous factions, and changed them up a bit, while leaving the majority of that faction as they were back in the west, and then basically left the west coast alone, when they could have easily just set Fo3 on the west coast, and taken everything already on the west coast, and done whatever they wanted to with it there.

Owning the franchise doesn't mean they don't respect the previous owners work, and aren't willing to leave all of that work alone out of respect for them.

The fact that they let Obsidian have all of the western U.S., and let them do whatever they wanted to with several major cities, such as Vegas, Denver, Salt Lake City, and Phoenix, which could have easily been used for future games, and when they could have easily limited them to California/Nevada, shows that Bethesda is perfectly fine in letting Obsidian have their side of the U.S. to themselves.

The fact Bethesda basically avoided mentioning the Midwest at all, outside of 2-3 very small token references to "yeah Tactics happened" suggests the same for that are of the U.S. as well.

Both Bethesda and Obsidian have said it. Bethesda = east coast, Obsidian = west coast, and both are fine with that.

I think you are reading too much into why they made 3 in DC. They made 3 in DC because they knew the setting, they were comfortable with it, and for their FIRST FO game, that is a smart move. You are basically suggesting we will never see any parts of the MW, ever, because Obsidian is WC, BGS is East coast, and I guess that means MicroForte is MW.

I don't think that will stop them at all. For a first game I can understand it being DC. But I don't think that means the MW is off limits.

If they wanted to suggest something was in the Midwest, they would have done so with The Pitt, which borders the Midwest. Instead we got.... nothing about that area, and then we got the Capital Wasteland, The Pitt, Ronto, The Commonwealth, and the Broken Banks, on the east coast.

We got The Capital Wasteland in Fallout 3, The Pitt in the DLC of the same name, and The Commonwealth in Fo4, which leaves Ronto and The Broken Banks left to see before we get done with just the stuff Bethesda set up in Fallout 3.

And given that the Broken Banks is down south, and the south is, so far, untouched lands, its far more likely we will be going down there before Bethesda touches the Midwest, and at the rate they produce Fallout games, Todd will be like 65 by then.

Whats more, Bethesda has a habit of not revisting areas visited in past games when it comes to TES, and nothing suggests they are going to change for Fallout.

I just want to point out how often I see, "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Br4gD7eSc" used as an argument on these forums.

Clarification: Sounds like I'm saying you do it because I'm quoting you, but it's not my intent. >.>' Geez people are making me paranoid on these forums now.

Shhh.. I don't want Bethesda touching it, at least not until I see what they can do with Fallout 4.