Yeah because Ashur is clairvoyant enough to know the goings on all over the MW. Just because they don't mention somewhere doesn't mean there isn't stuff going on there. Gimme a break.

Ashur has a raider/slaver empire that is able to kidnap people in places like Ronto, which over 300 miles away. This puts him in reach of Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Detroit, aka, all of the Midwest's major cities except Indianapolis, Chicago, and St Louis.

Whats more, is that he comapres his city to that of Boston, over 570 miles away. Chicago, the Midwestern BoS's main city, is only 460 miles from The Pitt.

Based on what we see in The Pitt, Ashur should very well be all over the Midwest, or at least know of the MwBoS, yet he isn't, and he doesn't, and he mentions nothing out there.

Oddly enough, I often see people telling Bethesda what they should do with the franchise .

Would they even do Ronto? I forget my Fallout lore ... did the US absorb Canada? I'm not sure they would do a game in Canada. But then, why not?

Also, I doubt Obsidian will be doing another title. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect to see it.

How do you know there isn't something that keeps them from getting to Detroit, or Cleveland, or Columbus, or aka all the midwest major cities. There was a nuclear war ya know, there could be some places that are not worth the effort to get to, especially when you just slaving.

So, if there is some unnatural barrier that keeps them from going that way, there no reason he should know about anything going on in Detroit or Chicago. Why going 300 miles for slaves, anyway? That is like a 2 month journey on foot.

I don't know a whole lot about the Pitt, I played on PS3 once and it was buggy as hell, so hard to remember stuff from nearly 7 years ago or so.

Well, Power Armor is supposed to require training... though I found it funny how you could equip all your companions with it without it.

And they are, but seriously, every Centurion wears the exact same outfit... because it was easier to make one outfit than a thousand variations. Plus, the only members of the BOS we've seen so far are from in game footage are initiates, who'd get the "worst" power armor available. The higher ranks would probably have access to higher level power armors.

True, it might be trivial. But unless they had one lying around or found one, they'd have to build it from scratch. And the size of that thing... it's going to take a lot of resources.

But Rothschild sure seemed more interested in getting Liberty Prime back up and running than doing anything else. Of course, it's possible that he changed his tune after Adams Air Force Base was destroyed, but who knows.

And yeah, using Lyon's BOS is in poor form. I wouldn't mind seeing say... a small group who were following fleeing super mutants. But Lyon's BOS coming up with a huge expedition, that just doesn't make much sense. What would make sense is the MWBOS coming east because they somehow found out about synths, and fearing another Calculator they decided to come in full force.

You mean like basically everyone that makes a suggestion on the forums?

^On that note: Have you ever looked at the emotes on this site? There are some seriously creepy ones. Like what's his deal -->

Adding to this, Ashur wasn't even the one leading the expeditions - nor were his men. He dealt with third party slavers. Ashur was primarily only concerned about the

Either Bethesda is going to do some creative writing, or the story is told over a year or two which would allow space for the Lyon's BoS to make some moves north. They're basically building two things from scratch: LP and an Airship.

There might be, but no one mentions it.

The point is that, in a single years time, the MwBoS manages to spread over 1,000 miles westward, from Chicago, all the way to Cheyenne Mountain. Yet in the 79 years since then, they somehow haven't managed to go the 100 or so miles from their outposts in lower Michigan, and central Indiana, to places like Detroit, and Cincinnati, despite having cars that could go 30 miles per hour, and despite the fact those cities would be full of factories and other stuff full of valuable loot, or people to add to their empire.

And at no point in the 20+ years Ashur has ruled The Pitt, and expanded his slaver system hundreds of miles, in seemingly all directions, has he run into the MWBoS, despite knowing of places over a hundred miles FURTHER then the MWBoS are from him.

This is not possible in the real world, and can only really happen if Bethesda is purposefully avoiding the Midwest, just like Obsidian purposefully avoided going in Texas, since Texas was outside the western U.S., despite the fact several prominent towns in Texas are well within The Legion's grasps, and would have logically been taken otherwise, as nothing states there is anything preventing them from going that way.

As for why he goes that far, because Pittsburgh and the area surrounding it is a [censored]hole, and the irradiated rivers + industrial pollutants have caused most people to go sterile, and devolve into wildmen and trogs. He needs from people places like Eire, which is like 130 miles away, D.C., which is 242 miles away, and Ronto, which is 317 miles away, because his own people are infected, and can't reproduce.

*Sigh* Just apply for the https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/75 job already! I would, but scripting just goes over my head.

after reading a lot of website and stuff, Bethesda still dont knowledge Tactics as Canon so for all that meter those game and the MWBoS dont exist.

And like u said on early post Obsidian didnt mention either the MWBoS when Cesar have been capturing all the the middle zone. At least they have need to cross path with the BoS.

I think Bethesda and Obsidian really dont take in account what happen on Tactics. Probably Obsidian is just fallowing the Canon that Bethesda choose since they own the franchise.

In another Note: Not only Bethesda focus on the East coast and Obsidian on the West. Time are different too, Fallout NV is alot on the future so they probably using that time difference between both game too.

Where is this info that they getting slaves from Toronto? Like I said, I only played The Pitt once. From what I can find so far, it seems like most of the people there(if they were not locals) were from the Capital Wasteland.

Also, again, this isn't the real world. This is a war torn hell hole everywhere. IF there are barriers that don't allow travel to say Detroit, etc, then don't expect "news" from those areas.

Dude, the MWBoS exist. Part of Lyon's Mission was to find the MWBoS, they are mentioned in FO 3. They exist in Bethesda's Fallout World. I don't know what you are "reading on the web", but the MWBoS exist, we just don't know what all is canon from FOT.

Look a little harder.

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Canon

>Fallout Tactics, when referenced by existing titles, can be considered a secondary source. This limits it to high level events (as explained by Emil Pagliarulo to our founder)^[6]: Currently, the only event from the game referenced in the game is the presence of a small, rogue detachment of the Brotherhood in Chicagothat has been battling super mutants

The Lone Wanderer: "Then where's the rest of the Brotherhood?"
Reginald Rothchild: "The West Coast, unless something has changed. There's been no contact with them for the last several years. There's also a small detachment in Chicago, but they're off the radar. Gone rogue. Long story."

The Lone Wanderer: "Care to share anything about the Super Mutants?"

Elizabeth Jameson: "The Brotherhood has been battling Super Mutants for decades. First out West, then in Chicago. Now here. But this group of Super Mutants is different, somehow. Physically, yes, but mentally as well. If we knew where they came from, we'd know why."

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Midwestern_Brotherhood#cite_note-FO3G-3

"Lyons, 75, was already highly decorated when he set out from the order's West Coast headquarters, leading a party of soldiers on a mission to reestablish contact with the "Eastern Brotherhood." He discovered this abandoned Pentagon military complex. The presence of Super Mutants sent a chill up the collective spine of the Brotherhood; these weren't the children of the dreaded Master, nor were they the remnants of the band that fled east and were ultimately destroyed (or assimilated into the Brotherhood of Steel) in the Chicago area. No, this was a new breed of Super Mutant, one with a local origin. But where did they come from? What did they want? How were they reproducing? Elder Lyons was ordered to discover the source of this new Super Mutant infestation and wipe it from the face of the earth. Recent weeks have seen him galvanize his "Pride" to thwart the remnants of the Enclave forces, and to provide drinking water to all.""

The slave Brand in The Pitt asks the LW where they are from, and lists a few places the Pitt obviously gets slaves from.

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Brand%27s_dialogue

You're new, aren't you? Are you here from the Erie Stretch? The Capital Wasteland? Ronto? Where's home?

that doesnt mean all that happen on Tactics is canon so for all they care that detachment could been wipe out by the super mutants. Still look a little hard to believe the Boston one is the Chicago brotherhood. It look like there are more possibilities to be part of the CWBoS

Its directly said the high level events are canon.

There is no high level event of tactics were the MwBoS loses to super mutants.

From what I can tell, nobody in the Pitt is going out travelling anywhere, at least very far. So, it seems that slaves from those areas are brought TO them.

This doesn't give them very good first hand knowledge of the area, and is a good reason why they wouldn't know of other areas, like Chicago, Detroit, etc. Also, what it COULD possibly suggest is there is no slave labor in those regions. Say, for example, if Detroit heard that a place called the Pitt was interested and paid good for slaves, if there are no slavers in Detroit or Chicago, then there would be no slavers bringing slaves from those regions to the Pitt.

Which, if the BoS is in control of Chicago, it a fairly good indication that there are not slaver gangs around. If the MWBoS is "darker" and has their labor camps still, then they surely wouldn't be selling their labor to others, but using it for themselves.

Main point is, can probably think up a 1000 reasons why the Pitt hasn't heard anything from Detroit, Chicago or etc etc.

Its outright said that Ashur has a sizeable raider army that goes on raids, and they trade with outside settlements as well, on top of the slaving stuff.

Going on raids doesn't mean travelling 300 miles, does it? I said, they not travelling very far. Like I said, just cuz not trading with a place or hearing about a place doesn't mean jack. Ashur may even be intentionally avoiding the area because he doesn't want the MWBoS to come down on him.

If he was, he would have mentioned such, he does not.

What for? Is he a Bond Villain?

Bethesda doesn't care about treading on West Coast territory, and Obsidian didn't care about treading on East Coast territory. New Vegas takes place not long after Fallout 3, and the Legion was in the East Coast, their biggest threat and challenge yet is the NCR, said by Caesar himself.

The airship, that name for one as I said doesn't mean a thing. Every BoS division goes by the same code, ranking system and theme. Knights, and Paladins. The Lyon's are white knight's in shiny white armor, the West and MwBoS are just Knights, they are a grey area.

Fallout 4 takes place a few weeks after Fallout 3 - Todd Howard

Broken Steel takes place around the same time or a little before Fallout 4 - The Pre War Hub speculated this, and it makes sense.

DC BoS has vertibirds, yes but so does the West Coast.

You know what else the West Coast has other then vertibirds? Airships, and are the reason the MwBoS had airships.

Their is only two known BoS divisions in Bethesda's Fallout lore that make sense to have the airship specifically that we see in Fallout 4 given everything said above. The West Coast or MwBoS.

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The fact their is 3 joinable factions in the game, one being The Railroad, the other being the Minutemen. All 3 factions can't have the same karma, or morality. They can't all 3 be goody goods.

DC Lyon's are the most goody good BoS faction (by far) ever created in the Fallout universe. "MAY STEEL BE WITH YOU!".

Anyway again my speculation or guess remains, West Coast. Or a entirely new BoS division introduced in Fallout 4 that could be from who know's where and that would be cool too to be honest.

I might have to look into this...

Legion is not in the East Coast. Everyone in the BOS in FO3 tells you Lyons has "gone native", putting the locals first..this is nothing new. Why would Bethesda use another BOS faction when there are many Boston/DC connections found in FO3, including the Railroad, Blackhall family, Marcella, Jaime, Tobar, and Dr Li, and Harkness? At the end of Broken Steel, Sarah Lyons, after asking what will they do now, states they will probably scavenge the entire coast of Virginia. It is very plausible they could have found an old rigid naval airship, such as the USS Shenandoah.

Yep, just like how a lot of people had biased towards the Empire in TES V: Skyrim, because in the past TES games the Empire was generally a good thing (when under the rule of Emperor Uriel Septim VII). They didn't seem to care that the Empire in TES V: Skyrim wasn't the same Empire as in the past 4 games, they just heard the word "Empire" and went "Once Empire, Always Empire!"