^This

King Arthur was actually a man named Riothamus.

An apt response to what you said originally:

I'm not sorry that I responded that way to that passive aggressive dismissal of dissenting opinion.

Airship tech seems trivial to guys like the BoS, but I mainly feel that the time between Fo4 and 3 isn't enough for them to prepare an expedition like that. Rothschild was saying he wanted to put resources into Liberty Prime .

Using the Lyon's BoS is poor form because there's already a player inclination to their side. Better to introduce a more radical group like the MwBoS.

None of the endings have been stated to be canon so far,

The one considered most likely to be canon is the one in which the Calculator gets destroyed, as the MwBoS appear to lack the massve robot army they get in all other endings, based on their descriptions in Fo3 and NV.

In that ending, its said they lose some frontier outposts to raiders and the like, due to their depleted numbers, but eventually regain control of the region after a swell of new recruits. Though that was like 80+ years ago, and anything could have happened to them since.

The discussion that predated that was the same as this one going on now. Nothing suggesting that it is the MWBoS and yet people are still vehement despite that.


It is trivial, the original BoS build the airships so everyone in the Brotherhood knows how to build them.

Bethesda plays to the lower denominator; your right, players do have an inclination towards them and that is why they will give it too them like post-ending gameplay in Fallout 3. Maybe all the crap Fallout merch getting shilled didn't give it away?

A lot of people look too into the Prydwen being more to do with Lyons then any other BoS division. It actually fits any BoS division that goes off the Initite, Knight, Paladin etc ranking system.

The MwBoS could very well have a ship called the Prydwen and or the West Coast Division themselves.

I'd kinda prefer the Midwest BoS, since they seem farther along on what I kinda see every chapter of the BoS turning into after enough time has passed and enough smarts applied. A huge empire that uses its technological might to destroy the petty wastelanders that surround them and become a nation state that can turn the standard grunts of the Legion and NCR into dust.

But maybe that's because I desperately want a grand strategy game set in the Falloutverse, and using superior technology to carve out a empire just sounds a lot more fun even not thinking gameplay terms than what happened with the west BOS. Maybe mods will satsify that itch one day, ive got my eyes on quite a few.

no, you state things as fact to support your argument like "well the BoS in the entire game of Fo4 use only t45d and T60 PA. Harumpf. The only faction of BoS to use T45 is the CWBoS. Harumpf. So, it must be the CWBoS we see in FO4. Harumpf Harumpf. Furthermore, the only faction to have Vertibirds is the CWBoS and the only factoin allowed to make reference to Arthurian Legend, and by the way did you know of the real Celtic King, whom I am direct descendant to? Harumpf. But I digress, only the CWBoS has Vertibirds that the Enclave so nicely left them for a Christmas present and only they can reference the mighty King Arthur."

When it isn't a fact. To coin my favorite phrase, we don't know what BGS has in store for Tactics canon, or if they will change the PA to make it more lore friendly. I have rarely ever encountered Centurions in NV, so if someone points out they have T45 pa for their shoulder armor, and I double check that as correct, then I will use it as an argument to counter that "only Lyons BoS uses T45". Nor do I say it isn't evidence that it isn't Lyon's, I merely point out it is shaky evidence. I have said all along that I don't think any of the evidence of what faction of BoS appears in FO4 is very good, and I think BGS has left it vague on purpose. Why would soldiers fighting in the east have west coast armor btw? They running back and forth? That, doesn't make any sense, and leads me to believe that they HAVE fought MWBoS, even if MAYBE they have fought WCBoS, different fronts = different soldiers. Can't expect me to believe that the Centurions keep running back and forth between Cali and the East.

Who knows.

West coast BOS has T-45d, as evidenced by New Vegas. Most of them use T-51b, but go into Hidden Valley and you'll be able to find a few T-45d suits. Also probably see some T-45d helmets on T-51b armours and vice versa. But don't think about that too hard since its just a bug.

Alright. How come like every post apocalyptic game has some sort of robot army wanting synthesis?

The MwBoS doesn't destroy anyone though, except raiders and the like.

They actively help uplift tribal peoples into better lives by giving them technology and stuff, in return for those tribal groups sending some of their people to the MwBoS as recruits.

The MWBoS even let ghouls, super mutants, deathcalws, and even calculator robots into their ranks. Which is FAR more openness then even Lyons has shown.

If it is MWBOS, where did the Vertibirds come from? There is a pic in the art of FO4 of a man wearing a man wearing a cape with a BOS clasp. The cape is the same colors of the BOS flag at the citadel.

Standard psuedo-chivalric knight =/= ancient Welsh language words.


Yes those are all correct and therefore logical points to base speculation about the game from. Notice everyone the lack of an attempt to justify why the Enclave being exterminated at Adams Air Force Base doesn't then lead to the Brotherhood of Steel acquiring those Vertibirds for their own use because we know in-game that many remain grounded when you finish the quest. Just sour moaning without actually addressing any arguments.

Aside from that thing about being related to King Arthur, that's just you being bitter.


Well if the basis of your arguments are "we don't know what Bethesda will change" then we can't speculate on /anything/ can we because they can change anything that they want. Typical weak-sauce argument you use wheel out when you can't actually address rational arguments. That and the frankly pathetic display in the above quote.

Where does it say that all Centurions came from the East? What with the largest enemy that the Legion has been fighting for years being in the West and all.

Well, 4 takes place in the same year as 3 and bethesda has yet to say which takes place first or if they happen at the same time..
But more likely than not - it happens before or at the same time - the distance is simply too much for even news, let alone soldiers, to travel that far over these kind of lands.

Why on earth would lyons be in boston if they're struggling enough as it is with the enclave in DC to just BARELY launch on an attack on them based on a tactic that may've not even work and eventually was destroyed (Liberty prime..)
The brotherhood is big, with many different groups in many different places.. Apparently, this one may be well off. That or giant, hulking war blimps may be a standard in fallout 4

Roll on the next 12 days..

Well, the BoS is certainly not going to throw any suit of PA in the garbage. T45, T51, T22, TXX. They are going to use it, regardless what chapter or their location is.

Who knows. Thin air. Maybe Bethesda changed something

"All speculation is utterly pointless" ~ paraphrase of Evlbastrd

I don't think so since Riothamus had a close adviser named Mordred who betrayed Riothamus leading to his death and burial at Avalon. To many coincidences.

Yup, merch = evidence for the CwBoS. Weak.

If I'm right, cool. If you're right, cool. At this point, and evlbastard is right as much as you try to deny it, who knows which BoS. It's funny to hear you're still rustled over that [censored], though.

Nobody is ignoring that fact. What everyone is ignoring is that the Enclave also had outposts in Chicago which may have also had a fleet of Vertibirds. They had a surplus of these things.

Yeah, Bethesda appeals to the lowest common denominator. Your right that people do have an inclination towards wanting Lyon's BoS. What happened when people wanted an inclination towards wanting post-ending gameplay? Oh yeah they gave it too them and made money hand-over-fist.

Mate I'm not rustled over anything; I'm having a blast right here.

May have versus did have, as-usual.

Pretty much. I'd bet Lyon's BoS also has a bundle of enclave suits that they looted from their war in DC and it wouldn't surprise me if they have those suits somewhere in the supply chain as they go about whatever their business is.

The impression I get from the BoS is that they'll take any form of technology any way they can and hold onto it. If they trekked all the way out to DC to see whats ticking in the Pentagon and then had all of their sketchy intel be proven right by having enough T-45d to equip a army inside of there then I can see them building giant depots to hoard any form of tech they can get their hands on.

Vertibirds and airships also seem pretty possible given the Brotherhood's lore. Its all about what they can get their hands on and then holding onto it for dear life.

Funny how when its something the majority wants its always lowest common denominator, but when its something a minority wants its somehow smarter and better.

Just saying mate. He said that people wanted Lyon's Brotherhood of Steel whilst having the MWBoS would a more interesting choice. Frankly I agree.

However we know that Bethesda will please the majority if that's what they want. Hence sabotaging the entire sacrifice ending that all of Fallout 3 built up too to sell post ending gameplay. They don't care what about what is interesting or even if it will harm the narrative of the game that they have made if it means pushing more units and giving people what they want.

>They sabotaged a Jesus allegory by having Jesus rise from the grave days later.

Really, becuase, last time I checked, Jesus was stated to have done that.

I was joking....but interesting information regardless.