What is Caesar's Legion's view of mutants?

Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:35 am

So I've been wondering, how does Caesar's Legion view mutants? I've never seen anything/anyone in-game explain this and I'm curious. So what are your guys's thought, opinions, comments, concerns, and/or random outbursts about this?
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Donatus Uwasomba
 
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:42 am

They dont like them, I recall. Cant remember tohugh I am sure of it.
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Post » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:39 pm

Well I want to ask another question. What would be Caesars view on Mercenaries?
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:53 pm

I can't imagine that they tolerate mutants, the differences between near-humans and mutants wouldn't gel with Caesar's theories on total unity and a single dominant culture.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:02 am

Well I want to ask another question. What would be Caesars view on Mercenaries?

Same way they view most NCR/New Vegas citizens, I'd imagine. Think about it- Caesar's Legion is built upon steadfast loyalty to the Legion. Mercenaries are loyal to caps or whatever form of currency there is, and even then it can be iffy if they're offered a better price to turn on their employers.

Prime Example? Look at Nipton. Basically, they were mercenaries without the guns, and were willing to sell out NCR and Powder Gangers.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:27 am

I doubt he gives them any sort of tolerance, but he probably wouldn't be opposed to using them to suit his own needs (ie. Supermutants as slaves) if he felt he could gain something.

He probably views ghouls as weak and sickly individuals as well, which in the Legion culture of strong, healthy, and fighting Legionaries wouldn't jive.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:02 pm

Now that I think of it maybe Caesar views mutants as just more animals to be put down, or maybe from his time as a Follower he just leaves the alone and pitied them... But I can't imagine Caesar pitying anyone. As for mercenaries... I'm sure Caesar probably dislikes them quite abit, or maybe he veiws them as just another dissolute.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:03 am

Now that I think of it maybe Caesar views mutants as just more animals to be put down, or maybe from his time as a Follower he just leaves the alone and pitied them... But I can't imagine Caesar pitying anyone. As for mercenaries... I'm sure Caesar probably dislikes them quite abit, or maybe he veiws them as just another dissolute.
Well after thinking, they just pride money. Caesar would just put them down.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:33 pm

I doubt he gives them any sort of tolerance, but he probably wouldn't be opposed to using them to suit his own needs (ie. Supermutants as slaves) if he felt he could gain something.

This, basically.

The official statement is that mutations are frowned upon, but the Legion doesn't exactly go out of their way to purge them. It's not a zealot issue where they believe they need to eradicate humans, but rather they just don't accept them as their own and WILL fight them if neccesary.
To understand the Legion is to understand Caesar. He's actually quite an intelligent and logical guy. I mean women aren't allowed to serve in the military out of blind sixism, but because their ability to give birth is more vital to the Legion than their ability to fight. Rather than half-assing it and letting some women fight and some are slaves, no, Caesar is playing to win; the Legion needs to be productive as possible. And thus, no women are allowed to serve and they're all expected to bear children.

For Super Mutants, it probably stems from the fact that there's no future in them; they can't reproduce, and while the Super Mutants may be fully capable of building an everlasting utopia for themselves, that doesn't help humans, who are more frail and susceptible to life's problems. Accepting super mutants does nothing to help the Legion beyond the immediate benefit of having a good soldier. However, there's the problem of why would a super mutant join a nation that's being indoctrinated into thinking super mutants are inferior and should be frowned upon, and how would Caesar ever recruit a sub-species that's known to be mentally challenged and/or unstable? Thus, I think the end result is that Caesar decides they're more trouble than their worth and does NOT allow them to be a part of the Legion, BUT he's not going to throw good Legionnaires away just to disturb a peaceful Super Mutant community that keeps to itself and has nothing to offer the Legion. (Jacobstown)
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:24 am

From what I've seen they don't attack mutants if they don't attack them.
They are very open and vocal about if they think a ghoul looks disgusting or not.
But again, they don't attack them if they don't attack Legion.
Raul has been in Arizona(New Mexico?) and he doesn't have any issues with them, had they been attacking him he would probably have voiced out a concern about helping Legion.
Jacobstown has no ending slider saying they were attacked.
Tabitha goes east if you help her with the robot and IIRC there is no mention of her or her robot attacking any legionnaires.

Centurions do have Super Mutant armor pieces on their armor, but a lot of super mutants are very hostile.

So my speculation on it is basically this: You don't attack us and we won't attack you, live and let live.

As to what Caesar thinks of them? No idea, we can only use wild speculation.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:59 pm

I think that there might be ghouls and mutants in the legion but their radation resistance and other traits they simply just use them in other areas instead of foot soliders (blacksmiths, miners or engieers for example) or considering the legion doesn't use drug have mutants solider gaurd areas that are radated areas....
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:00 pm

From what I've seen they don't attack mutants if they don't attack them.
They are very open and vocal about if they think a ghoul looks disgusting or not.
But again, they don't attack them if they don't attack Legion.
Raul has been in Arizona(New Mexico?) and he doesn't have any issues with them, had they been attacking him he would probably have voiced out a concern about helping Legion.
Jacobstown has no ending slider saying they were attacked.
Tabitha goes east if you help her with the robot and IIRC there is no mention of her or her robot attacking any legionnaires.

Centurions do have Super Mutant armor pieces on their armor, but a lot of super mutants are very hostile.

So my speculation on it is basically this: You don't attack us and we won't attack you, live and let live.

As to what Caesar thinks of them? No idea, we can only use wild speculation.

Well look at how Caesar handles the Boomers.

Why attack them? Is the cost worth the reward? Caesar accurately states no, it's not, as he knows they'd be tossing corpses at a nation that potentially wants nothing to do with him and won't stand in their way.
Jacobstown is no different. Why waste bodies on that? They're not hurting anyone and they don't profit us. So leave them.

Actually accepting them into the Legion though? Potentially more trouble than it's worth, given their mental issues, and somewhat of an issue for the idea of unity, as all super mutants stand out and may naturally be drawn towards one another rather than not caring if they happen across a mutant Legionnaire.

A good question, one I might run by Sawyer, is if the Legion is willing to trade with a mutant nation like Jacobstown. THAT offers profit for the Legion without challenging their unity or causing problems for the Legion, potentially.
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Post » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:03 pm

Never said anything about accepting them into their society.
A ghoul will never become a priestess, legionnaire, breeder, workforce or frumentarii.
Nor will they be considered 'part of their land', like the residents are.
They're just, kinda there. They aren't Legion in any way shape or form nor will the Legion ever acknowledge that, but they aren't their enemies either and can freely roam about their lands as they please without being harassed violently by the Legion.

As to super mutants, I think that Caesar should utilize them, from Jacobstown I constantly hear of how they miss being in Unity, they miss having a purpose, they miss having someone else make the decisions for them. A lot of super mutants want to be used, they want to be soldiers under the command of a leader.
If he allowed them to become part of the army, not as legionnaires but as something else, then they'd have purpose again, they'd have someone else make their decisions for them, they'd have access to weaponry, food and other crap which they like as long as they obey their new master, Caesar.
I don't know whether or not they'd be drawn to one another in Legion, but if they are they could be their own squad which Legion utilizes.
Whenever the Legion needs someone to break through defense they bring in the super mutant squads which have been turned into walking tanks that pulvirizes anything in their way.


But it's a big unanswered question with vague clues that forces us to speculate.
Someone should definitely ask it on Sawyers Formspring, how Super Mutants and Ghouls are treated, respectively.
Cause Jacobstown isn't attacked and Raul has no qualms with Legion.


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An idea I had for Fallout 4/5 is that after Lanius is defeated and goes back to his lands he needs to secure his lands and strengthen them before he continues his quest for conquer.
As the NCR is obsessed with trying to kill Legion Lanius asks a bunch of ghouls to help the Legion out. if they turn an entire stretch of miles of land into a radioactive pit which only they can survive in then that can be their land and the Legion will offer trade and alliance with them.
The ghouls, having never had any land of their own, agree to the idea and secures a border between NCR and Legion that becomes the land of their nation.
Lanius was at first going to deceive them, use them for their radiation immunity so that he can secure his Legion.
But after witnessing the power of mutants he has a change of heart and realizes that mutants are useful.
Legion is after all all about practicality, you do what you're good at, someone who knows how to train dogs become a dog trainer, someone who knows how to make healing powder will become an alchemist.
After that the Legion becomes a kind of sanctuary for mutants. In all other corners of the US mutants are generally disliked, but in Legion, they are accepted for their unique mutations.

The storyline of this is between Legion, Barnaky and MLA, MLA wants independence but they are afraid they cannot stand up against Barnaky's Army, but if they help Legion they will lose their independence but become part of a safer, albeit cruel, society.

I think it'd be a nice twist to Legion.
I mean, right now they're pretty much disliked by most people.
But what if they become the nation that treats mutants the best?
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:15 am

If he allowed them to become part of the army, not as legionnaires but as something else

I'd imagine Caesar would use them in a similar manner to how the Enclave used Deathclaws in Fallout 3, they'd use them as close-combat BOWs and meat shields to draw fire from the primary soldiery.

Very practical uses for Super-Mutants really.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:54 am

Well a Super Mutant unit would be useful but not probable. I doubt the Legion would accept them in and the best and most loyal legionnaires are born into the Legion or raised from a very young age. Yet as you said they do seem to like being controlled soooo... I guess it's a toss up...
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:56 am

I'd imagine Caesar would use them in a similar manner to how the Enclave used Deathclaws in Fallout 3, they'd use them as close-combat BOWs and meat shields to draw fire from the primary soldiery.

Very practical uses for Super-Mutants really.
Yup, and as long as they're spoonfed propaganda of how awesome Caesar is then I don't think they'd complain.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:10 am

But Caesar is awesome... No spoon-feeding needed, he's the last best hope for humanity.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:24 am

Well sure, but the super mutants need a little propaganda, a little... Encoragement, to fight for a cause again.
Ghouls could also be used by Legion, for radiation bombings, scavenging and infiltration.
Need to scavenge an old military bunker that is highly radioactive? Send in the ghoul squad!
Hell I don't see why any faction has any problem with civilized mutants, they are all useful in different ways.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:03 pm

Hah, nice point but the answer is simple, racism. Even after we destroyed ourselves were still apparently bigots, it's quite unfortunate but some people just don't want to work with a "zombie" or a "frankenstein", even if they are quite useful.
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Post » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:48 am

Hmm, should form a faction of our own to kill all bigots.
Cause using hate to stop hate always work.... Right?
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