Now I've been thrown off. This is the New vegas section but your asking about Fallout3, thats fine but then you call it Ulitmate Edition.
Do you mean Fallout 3: GOTY, or, Fallout: New Vegas: Ultimate Edition.

Just so I'm clear

I was asking what makes this better than FO:3 and I mean the NV ultimate edition.

Oh.
Everything.
The end.

You guys beated me to it. But i think i can say that
guns are better balanced within themselves
all of the combat skills are viable from beggining to end(some will require more though for this to be true)

The "M" rating actually means somthing.
Rather than most games just slapping it on their box to attract the average teenager looking for swears and things that go boom.

IMO, you need more of a "developed" mind/ way of perceiving things to fully appreciate this game.

I don't mean to sound like to sound snotty but I have to agree. Liking the game doesn't make you smarter of course, but...

The stereotype of someone who hates this game is the kid who screams "NCR 4 EVER!!!," maybe killed Ulysses and bombed the Legion, then never seemed to really consider House or listen to Caesar at all. Yes man is also a possibility, but if they support Yes Man then that for them is an "evil" playthrough of sorts; they're doing it so they can take over the town OR they naively believe they can lead better than the other three.

The issue there isn't that they support the NCR, or that they killed Ulysses, or that they bombed the Legion. It's something else.
During a chat with Ulysses when he makes his intentions clear, you can say "I don't understand, why are you doing this," to which he says "you've answered your own question."

"I don't understand," and that's exactly the problem, as if Lonesome Road itself was a message to the critics of New Vegas to stop, listen, and think about what they're doing. A lot of people play this game and never stop to think, supporting the democracy because it's all they know. I admit my first conversation with Caesar I thought "tf is this guy talking about," but the difference is my misunderstanding made me more curious and I dug deeper. I picked up a book like he said and read up on Roman Society, Hegelian dialectics etc until I understood him, and then his motives became clearer.
Most people, unfortunately, don't seem to care or they think it's all stupid BS. It's fine to not want to invest a lot of time into New Vegas, but at least acknowledge and give some credit to the effort put into making this game. As for those who just run around herping and derping and not understanding a word, just wanting to blow [censored] up.....no comment.

At any rate, the game does demand more from the mind than other games. A lot more, in fact.
Fallout New Vegas definitely encompasses some of the expertises of it's creators. Playing this game, you can tell that it was DEFINITELY made by a history major, a firearms enthusiast, a writer (a GOOD one, not a flippin' Stephanie Meyer) and a philosophy major.

Right, it sounds snobby as hell.... But it's true.
To fully grasp the "conflict" at hand, you need to really listen to all the different factions/ leaders. IMO, you need more than a 4th grade education level to appreciate this game for what it is...... A masterpiece.

Well, it's been delayed until the 24th in UK and I want to get the version with the full DLC and it will only costs ￡24.99. I guess I'll have to finish the MQ of Skyrim and get all those daedric artifacts

The story isn't as mind boggling as everyone makes it out to be. It's pretty straight forward what each faction wants. I absolutely love both New Vegas and Fallout 3 Call me crazy but why do we need to stereotype people who don't like the game as COD fascists or something. I had a problem with the game when i walk for 30 minutes only to find an empty town or gas station. I don't play games to walk 20-30 minutes to find nothing, i enjoy being attacked by something makes the game interesting, why i like Skyrim. Story wasn't great, the Strip was a huge let down, and the seperation between Caesar's Legion and the NCR made it hard to be a full on Legion member cause i get jumper by NCR douchbags pretty much everywhere i go. Pointless rant aside i loved the game, bought the hardcoe edition ultimate edition whatever. Only problem i'm having so far is i get black screened then my save is corrupt meaning i need to save every 10 [censored] minutes. Enjoy the read.

It'll be worth the wait, and once you finally get NV you'll realize you now have no need for Skyrim.
(I found the Daedric quests to be the most interesting in the game, I actually had a great deal of fun tracking them all down. Their also more tuned to "grey" choices/ decisions than most others. IMO)

I am a newbie to NV after putting in hundreds of hours with Beth games (I did buy NV when it first came out but the game kept crashing with all the early bugs).
Today I bought the Ultimate Edition and all I can say is- wow! It is a fantastic game with top notch voice acting and quests.
I was blown away by the crafting-survival-ammo thing. Leagues above anything that Skyrim or Fallout ever did.
The game is super smooth with no lag at all. Very happy.

The isolation of the Fallout 3 character (hunting in the ruins of DC) is the main thing I really miss.

Not sure on houses and storage yet. I hope NV has some of these things. My house mods on Fallout 3 were sooo cool.

You forgetting about the nuclear war that happened 200 years(no people in the gas station) and all the scavs that are out there(the gas station is empty) and how the west has moved forward by creating citys instead of keeping raider parties and tribes? Fallout 3 forgot all of this and thats why people love it. Cuz theres more raiders then peolpe to raid and that dumb 2nd gen mutants made it all the way to the other coast of america. Which means that, despite all of the raiding parties which could use stimpacks to live longer and be more powerfull in battle, stimpacks are everywhere aswell as targets.Senseless killing made fallout 3 what it is today. A award winig game that sold lots and lots of copies and made milions.Thats what people want and thats what bethesda gives them. So instead of having a gameworld with trading and well thought cities giving wastelanders a better life we get raiders and super mutants and one or two logc towns. Thats what fallout 4 will be, a senseless wasteland full of thing to kill with little to no sensefull cities.

Some posts are gone. It's easy to get overly emotional about these kinds of things, but there's never any call for being rude on an internet gaming forum.

The reason I still play FO3 every once in a while, is because that era pleases me.

Most of the other games didn't have it, which is why it stands out in Fallout 3.

Although, I kind of felt that Nostalgia in Lonesome Road and Dead Money somewhat.

I also like the music better in 3 and it has a more lonely-depressing theme that stood out for me.

I think Fallout 3 went way overboard with the 1950s thing. Its been over 200 years since the Great War. Why the hell are people still trying to hold on to what the world was like 200 years ago? Most people don't even remember 200 years ago. It annoyed me. Its all tied into how Fallout 3s wasteland had zero progress in 200 years.

Have you played Fallout or Fallout 2? IMO they have a better "lonely-depressing theme" then Fallout 3. Fallout 3 is so populated its hard to believe it has "a lonely feel to it."

For some reason I felt sorry for the people in Fallout 3, but it is probally because the war seemed fresh (which made no sense). In fallout New Vegas the presence of the Great War seemed very small, so I rarely thought about what the areas may have been like before the war.

Agreed, I found it absolutely ridiculous how that one lady in Arefu kept going on about Fall catalogues and cookies, she shouldn't even know those things ever existed. The cannibals who acted like stereotypical 1950s Americans were also absurd.

I found the West Side Story esque Tunnel Snakes a bit out of place too.

The residents of Vault 101 actually grew up with pre-war movies and TV shows though, so there's at least a logical explanation for them.

I didn't feel sorry for anyone in Fallout 3, everyone who lives in DC is lazy, they can make things better but they would rather complain about it and do nothing.

It's certainly not obvious what each faction wants, which is kind of the point. I, at first, saw the Legion as goatee-stroking, "MUHAHAHAHAH"ing, evil mother [censored]s. I saw the NCR as democracy, stability, the good guys, whatever. I didn't even pay attention to House, and planted a shell in his head because everybody seemed to want him dead, so of course he must be bad. As that playthrough progressed, I began to see flaws in the NCR. By that stage, both Caesar and House were without a head, so I was somewhat buggered. On my second playthrough after completing with Yes Man, I decided to go to every faction and make a more informed decision. I ended up siding with the Legion, even though I found myself agreeing more with House's goals and path to carry them out. The Legion was just so darn interesting, I couldn't help myself.

I think the story was amazing. Not everything has to be neat and tidy, and progress down a linear path. New Vegas begins with you getting shot in the head, and ends up with you becoming a leading figure in between a group of factions preparing a power play for the Strip. I again disagree with the Strip being disappointing. I disliked the small amount of NPCs residing there, and the few missions in the hub. But I found the whole place so fricking interesting. Learning about the Three Families was a particular highlight. I have a fetish for Vegas, however, so I may be slightly blinded in this aspect.

The thing about siding with the Legion and being harassed is another aspect of the game I enjoy. Your choices mean something. As a Legion supporter, you'll find yourself to disguise yourself when you enter NCR towns and outposts. As an NCR supporter, you can go anywhere you wish within the bulk of the Mojave without issue. It's these gameplay differences that add replay value, and make it seem as if your choices matter. In Skyrim for instance, I walked up to Ulfric after pretty publicly announcing my support for the Empire ( through doing many missions and dragon shouting Stormcloak camps to shreds) attired completely in Legion armour, yet not only does he welcome me, he updates me on the freaking war. Oh yes, and on a table next to him sit the Jarls I usurped for supporting him! Then I pull a bow on him and try to kill him. Yet he just fall unconscious? Lame.

That's nice.

The speech system

Cheers

No reason to snip such a short post but I agree

It's still a good game.

Yea, the who 50's era thing was overdone, but IMO, the American revolution era thing was far more over done.
Everywhere I turned it's some A-hole with a name like George Washington Carver Lincoln Abraham Revere Madonna..... The 3rd.
I wanted to pull my freakn hair out, it would have been nice for both the 50's era aswell as the "revolution" era stuff to be much less in your face, and more of a "side dish" instead of the main course.