Yes man. Because hes awesome

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CL was not a power. They were powder puff, a gang of bloat flies probably killed them on the way back to AZ. Who ever decided they would be a worthy opponent should be fired immediately. Immediate dismissal for putting kers out on the fo battle field.

Mr. House or Yesman.

If a Free New Vegas becomes true I would like the securitrons to malfunction or do their job a little to well in keeping order. With no one watching over New Vegas like a house like figure behind the scenes New Vegas reels into a state of control wars by the Kings and the Families and what other factions may seek to hold power. Sure yesman controls all the securitrons but who controls Yesman?

The courier by now has far left NV or somehow stayed (not sure what the end slide said for the Courier.).

@The Rook, you don't understand the FO battle Field. Mass hordes of slavers wearing crimson who fight to the death and fear only their commanders behind them? A megolomaniac who thinks he some kind of reincarnation of a Ceasar and through his own view of philosophical ideas he decides humanity will repeat itself indefinately and tries to control human nature?


But I'll be happy if NCR is not in control. Have seen enough of these pushy, greedy profligates.

Yeah...

I like the general anarchy scenario. I hope the NCR stay in the West for now, bore me. Hope the BOS in the East start expanding Westward, rebuilding, re-teching. Building up to some point, maybe in FO7, when they meet the NCR in the middle - guns and brahmin against robots and virtibirds. Cooooooool

In my opinion Fallout tells the story of NCR.

Except for Fallout 3, which was the story of the Eastern BOS. Horses for courses.

But if that was the case, why not just make it Linear? Why give us the option of siding with The BOS. Or Caesar, If it's all going to be disregarded anyway? Just present it as a game where you have to help the NCR rebuild and expand?

I hope the next game maybe puts you as a tribal, given the task of killing Kimball and stopping the NCR. For a bit of balance, like

Ah yes, Bethesda's Fallout. To be honest, I see it as a spinoff. The 3 in its name doesn't mean anything for me.

Well that's the beauty of multiple-ending games. You have a choice to side with anyone (well, almost anyone) in the game. But come next game, there's gonna be some side that's considered canon. It's good for the satisfaction you get from the game and replay value.

If we get to be a tribal bent on killing Kimball, there will most likely be the choice of turning on your tribes. Or maybe you ally with some other faction that's one of the many factions trying to take power/territory from NCR.

Anyway back to NCR, I believe that we saw their birth, rise, and expansion. If I learned one thing from history is that expansion=eventual collapse. Also, NCR is a democracy, like before the war. Fits the theme; how humanity never changes. Maybe we won't see a second nuclear war but I doubt things will end with rainbows and ponies.

could be there is another faction, mid-west, that we haven't come across yet. Ex-Enclave, high tech, that keep themselves to themselves, and happy to remain that way. What happens when the NCR tries to take THEM under their wing? By force? (kind of like a mix of the Boomers, Enclave, BOS, and Caesars Legion). Unleash hell on the NCR, send it back to the vaults. What would happen in the chaos that follows?

There are a myriad of ways the Fallout Story could go, and I really don't think they should limit it to being "NCR re-civilises America and they all live happily every after".

Oh no that definitely won't be happening. :laugh: I'm putting my chips on nation wide rebellion.

Going back to the way things were before the war? Sounds a bit redundant. The NCR is simply another faction that we've seen rise to form it's own country, that doesn't make them the main 'protaganist' for the Fallout story, just another player, staple of the series or not. They're getting old, and they've been around almost as long as prewar-America. They should remain a staple, but their growth needs to be curbed.

I think Mr. House.

NCR came from the west and wanted Vegas, Caesar's Legion came from the east and wanted Vegas.
But Vegas defended itself from both of these, by a pre-war guy in a cryo tube with a pre-war army of robots
I just think it's symbolic that both these huge armies have to return home because that one guy. And becasue I don't think the Yes Man route would work well.

The HOUSE always wins

HOLY HYBERBOLE BATMAN! Seriously though, House only asks you to kill one faction, and for good reason.


You're right, House is greedy. Damn him for wanting to revive a city he loves so dearly, and thus, securing it's future.


I agree, I'd love to be taxed for half assed protection.


How on earth can you say that and not realize the folly in that statement? In just 7 years, House has revived Vegas, turning the Three Families AND the Kings into who they are today. (The Kings becoming who they are is proven when The King says they took that place after the families moved into Vegas, and the Kings adopted their persona). Also, should you work for House, during All or Nothing when you are confronted by Lee Oliver, he even admits House has managed to get the dam beating in new ways, ways that the NCR for seven years could not do.


That's a purely subjective thought. I'd agree they are establishing law and order, but their government needs to be purged before any 'saving' can be done.


I'd do the same thing House did. Perhaps you never took the time to speak to Mr. House, but he makes it very clear that the NCR has only been kind to his face because they are afraid assaulting him would leave them open to a Legion Offensive. All in all, House's Machiavelli tactic of 'use then take so I'll gain' is just House reversing the tables on NCR.


I disagree, I've seen a group of three recruits take down NCR troopers armed with caravan shotguns,the recruits armed with only machetes.

Also, all this House love. I AM SO PROUD :cryvaultboy:

Thanks.



Ummmm.... They are actually beast's.

What faction would you have suggested. I bet you would be one of those people that say Enclave. :whistling:

One that can hurt me besides in their leader s tent and at the very end of the game. I said NCR patrols beat legion raiding parties MOST OF THE TIME. I use Enclave as an example now old guard says they were even were real hard in fo2. So now we have CL. After 2 hard enemies we have CL. You re right CL Legion was really really hard. I had to eat a box of suger bombs after I killed 4 of them with only 3 shots fired at me with a 10mm pistol. 2 of which tried to run and cowered in a corner. Very hard They don t even return fire, because MOST OF THEM DON T EVEN HAVE GUNS and they run. I hope we face enemies as difficult as them in the future.

Martyr I m really not going to waste a whole bunsh of time on this, because someone will decide for us in like 4 years if we re lucky. If u like a greedy guy great. He used the NCR was going to put mens lives at risk on the bridge playing games. If NCR wasn t there even CL would have taken Vegas. I m for helping the world get civilized while taking on a hard opponent. If you like House great if u think CL was a monster awesome more power to u. NCR has apparently made progress in making a civilisation. Now in most civilisation the govnt gets money from its people one way or another. Western Nations tax the people. So NCR taxes people too. If NCR or USA has no money that means weak military number 1. Govnts that have little to no money have little to no military. Strong armed forces are very useful in many different ways. Most important they are a detourent. Tax money also helps with many other important needs people in a nation have. Now we really don t need to get into economics here.

Main point is that House didn t sell me on the fact that he cares about primm or novac. NCR did. House sold me on the fact that he cares about his casinos and that is all. Freeside?? House dosen t care look at it. Only thing he cares about is that they don t get into the strip. If that s the kind of people you d like as your leader great. End of story u think what u want I ll think what I want. As I ve already stated some one else might deside for us if we re lucky by 2015.

House cares about Progress, and yes, he does care about the surrounding communities, as they are vital for Progress, if you pay attention to his ending slides you see what he does is in the name of Progress.



PROGRESS

I kill him so I never saw his slides. He didn t sell it to me well enough. IMO House had rights to NV but that is it he saved it. What he failed to realize with all his 200 plus years of wisdom is that if NCR s tax payer funded military hadn t ever arrived, weak CL would have walked right into his nv and got is fugly old butt out of that cryo chamder and nailed him to a cross. He couldn t be reasoned with either. So when the game forced me to pick NCR or House I took NCR. Plus NCR doesn t make you kill bos. They can be reasoned with. House almost had me, but the real him showed up in the end. A filthy rich corp. founder that wants what all filthy rich corp. founders want..........more money. Again I guess this may be interesting to talk about, but its out of our hands. We may never know what really happened in nv.

Call me crazy but I suspect that they may avoid the question altogether. While Fallout 1 had a canon male protagonist New Vegas seems to avoid this given that Marcus's dialogue avoids using gender pronouns when referring to the Chosen One or any of their actions aside from those vital for the main quest (Getting the GECK and destroying the oil rig). While Bruce Issac's dialogue hints the CO may have gotten Bishop's wife pregnant it's left vague enough that someone else could have done it plus it would be odd to reveal the CO's gender in such an obscure way when a major character like Marcus avoids it altogether. My guess is that the next game will take place far away enough from Nevada, Washington and California that they can avoid confirming anything, or that they'll pull a Bioware and let players transfer their data from Fallout 3 and New Vegas

I think Benny summed up the NCR best.

Paraphrased:

"The biggest gang of thieving crooks this side of the Mojave, only they pass laws to make their crimes legal."

Ok, every nation needs taxes, but in return for paying the taxes, you'd expect the citizens to actually be looked after right? Whereas the NCR shows up, takes over your town, demands money and then buggers off.

Did someone say http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii97/Martyr_of_Death/HousePoster.jpg?!

House might be better for the evolution of both NCR, House and Legion.
What I worry about it is that if the next game is "one big sandbox map"... Again... Then it would be hard to find a way for all three factions to return or to at least hear a considerable amount of dialogue from people "about" their progress/decline.
So yeah, no matter who wins I want to know what happens to each side in the next game.
And I especially want more Legion, NCR has had 3 games already, BOS 5 games and House/YesMan are isolated characters, none of them really "need" more screentime.
Legion is on the other hand a new faction which rivals the NCR in size.
I don't think a DLC could justify their lore.
Still, House winning could make for interesting "developments" back in Arizona.

Legion

Because Fallout need at least one instance of its history where the bad guys wins

Yeah it does :rolleyes: