That's a point of view too, but I still believe NCR is a bit more special for the series than other factions. Maybe it's just the way I see things. Maybe it's a subtle main theme, maybe just a little detail. All the same, they always remind me how the old world has fallen.

To quote Mr. House: "You want to see how democracy has ended? Look out the window."

It ended, then it got resurrected. Doesn't take a Nostradamus to predict it will end again. Wars never end and humanity never changes.

Don't you mean...."war...War never changes."?

I knew someone would point that out. :happy: No, it was a generic sentence not a quote.
Though I could say "wars = humanity" but that would be a huge derailment from the current topic.

Oh I know what you meant I was just messin' with ya.

Most, but not always

The one with the biggest calibre and farthest range of course! Ba-dum-tish!

I hope you r not talking about the cowboy repeater here. It fires a .357 mag round smaller in diameter then the .44 mag trail carbine, and much smaller in diameter than the 45/70 govnt. brush gun. So in fact the cr is the weakest of the lever action rifles.

Now all of these lever action rifles shoot kind of a glorified pistol round. I believe that in ranged combat a true rifle round is more deadly. The shape of the round and powder behind it may be more important than the diameter of the round. I m no bullet expert, but one would think that if these pistol mag rounds were so great for ranged combat they wouldn t have been abandoned by all major militaries (or never used at all by most) before WW1 Also throw in magazine capacity higher fire rates by many other rifles in the game and the cr may be one of the weaker weapons over all for ranged combat in the nv

Yeah well this is 'Post-Apocalyptia' (-Three Dog) so there should be some chaos before everything calms down. I thought it was a nice touch and was one of my favorite things about NV. (that and Boone)

Wow do I ever hate that im late for this party. Ncr should be cannon though, there the best choice not only for the mojave but the entire west long term, imho.

What? Isn't 200 years of lawlessness enough time to you? :cryvaultboy:

This whole thread is nothing but one giant pissing contest. So continuing that theme @ martryr dude why do you keep bringing up oliver's statement at the dam about it ticking in ways it never has before? The only thing house did was flip a switch and turn on a few more generators so he could send power to the fort, frankly not that hard of a thing to do. And you talk about ncr and taxes, house imposes heavy taxes on primm when he sends his securitron to protect it if ncr takes over protecting the town and then house kicks them out.
At the end of the day, if it wasnt for the ncr CL would have marched straight across the dam and stuck house on a cross, and for the years of protection and business they give him he kicks them out as soon as he's capable of it. And no ncr was not trying to steal vegas away from house, thats just the way he words it. The plan was to annex vegas but house wouldnt even meet with ncr officials to discuss anything, he just wants them to babysit the dam for him and keep feeding the strip while he sits and waits for the platinum chip rather than working to restore freeside and the rest of outer vegas and the surrounding communities like he should have and could have been doing.

Okay, I just deleted a dozen posts... and now I have to review them, because not only were two people bickering and flaming each other, but others had to throw in comments as well - and all of you should know better.

On a side note, The Rook... please use the edit button on your posts if you want to add additional information. Don't double and triple post please.

I'll give this one more shot, but if I have to come back, it gets closed.

there is way too much NCR in the fallout series already. Sometimes I have the feeling that I heard the expression "New California Republic" more often than "Brotherhood of Steel". If NCR ending is cannon, there will be nothing left interesting in west coast.
Enclave is gone. Brotherhood is becoming useless. Legion is dead. House is dead. So I ask, where will we have WAR, gentlemen? NCR shouldn't be allowed to dominate.

Yes Man then

Also, Legion have a main base in Arizona, the fort it just a little camp

And House is hardly dead, its the more obvious candidate to be canon

Mr. House

This.

NCR is kinda cliche but Mr. House is smart and has a unique look at the future and he leaves the NCR around for a later game.

Which'll torn apart by infighting as soon as Caesar and Lanius are out of the picture. So they won't be coming back in any major power unless the Courier was pro Legion.

Who says that Caesar or Lanius dies?
Who's to say Lucius or Vulpes ain't gonna take over if they are killed?
Who's to say that infighting is going to happen?

If the player doesn't work with the Legion, Caesar would soon be dead from his tumour, or is killed by the upgraded securitron army rampaging through the Fort. Lanius can be talked down I suppose, but with him in charge I doubt the Legion would last long.



If the player sides with House/yes man, they would also more than likely be killed by the securitrons. Lanius is known to dislike Inculta too, and probably wouldn't make him his successor. You do have a point with Lucius however.



Well its not guaranteed, I see it as more than likely happening without Caesar. Lanius is a blood mad butcher, which doesn't exactly inspire loyalty.

1. Current Caesar is sure to die without the players intervention, or, if he do have a couple of months to live then it "might" be possible for them to find the last piece to the auto-doc or find someone with the medical know how to fix him. It's far-fetched, but possible.
When I upgraded Houses securitrons for his questline though they never showed up at The Fort, only at Legate's camp, so Lucius, Vulpes and comatose'd Caesar could sneak out if they have time.

2. Well, if Lanius becomes new Caesar then he might appoint a legionnaire we don't know of as the new Legate, doesn't have to be just Vulpes or Lucius, when the current Caesar dies the the power structure needs new commanders, 1 new Caesar, which is Lanius, 1 new legate, which is whoever Lanius appoints, and if it's Lucius then they will need a new leader of the praetorian guard.
Unless of course the new Caesar, be it Lanius, Lucius, Vulpes or Anthony, decides to change the power structure.

3. I dunno, the legionnaires are so brainwashed that they think of Caesar, who ever takes that title, is the son of Mars, so even if Lanius is coldblooded they would still follow him with "to the death" loyalty.
Infighting is another thing, if Caesar and Lanius both dies and it takes a long time to appoint a new Caesar then the morale in Legion will be low, but once a new Caesar is appointed no one (except commanders possibly) will argue against it, the new Caesar is the new god of the Legion and the rest will follow him (or her?).
The parts of Legion who have split off will probably either return or be hunted down anyway.

Uh, I meant cannons, you know, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon.

Something like that could happen to the NCR too, depending if Kimball canonically died or not

Even if he survived they could collapse since he's an ex-military.
He might force NCR to war with Legion even after taking the dam a second time and turn their nation into a militaristic order, might even throw the democracy out the window just so he can stay in charge and turn it into a dictatorship.

There are lots of possibilities with both Legion and NCR.

If Lucius is appointed as a new Caesar he might loosen the rules on women in Legion and allow for less sixism.
If Vulpes is appointed as the new Caesar he might expand on the frumentariis role and turn a large part of Legion into a very successful terrorist organization with brute force as their weakness instead of their advantage.

Possibilities possibilities. :wink_smile:

Don't you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.8_cm_FlaK_18/36/37/41? Anyway, I think Oliver getting thrown off the damn dam should be canon.

Furthermore, House is probably the worst option for Vegas and the Mojave. He can't broadcast any orders past Goodsprings. And he can't replace any losses, there's only so many robots. Over the years, attrition will destroy his entire army. He will also suffer from a massive NCR boycott, and with his limited broadcasting range, he can't expand, despite the north being unoccupied/unclaimed (at least as far as we know). The NCR and CL obviously don't have these problems, and Indy Vegas could recruit from it's citizens.

Unless he of course builds factories to produce new robots, make deals with towns, factions and nations around him to give him resources to build more and then build new radio dishes and sends out a new satellite to space so he gets a wider area of control.
It's possible, but would take a very very very long time to do, and frankly I think his robots would be destroyed by straying factions and/or NCR/Legion returning.
Wouldn't surprise me if one the securitrons accidentally ran off a cliff because House was focused on another securitron.
That's one problem though, that even if he can get a huge amount of them how are he going to control them all at once?
There will be tons of weaknesses in House's defense.