The Godhead in TES operates kinda like Brahman. It's the divine foundation of reality. CHIM is realizing that you're a part of the godhead, and that you are the godhead. Your saying "We're all part of the godhead, and I AM the Godhead." Or at least that's my understanding.

Pretty much, yes. If you believe the concept of the Godhead but fail to retain your individuality - as to say, "So you mean I'm just a part of a dream?" - then you will zero-sum. Zero-summing means that the part of the Godhead that is you has woken up, and you will cease to exist. That means that when you believe the Godhead, one of two things will happen, depending on your perception: you will either achieve CHIM, or zero-sum.

In Matrix (this is the only time I would ever compare the Matrix to CHIM), Neo is able to bend the spoon when he knows it isn't real. This is similar to the concept of CHIM (note: similar, not exact). When you achieve CHIM, you understand that you are everything. That means, pretty much, you can do whatever you can imagine. It means that you have effectively become a God.

So why have the ones that achieved CHIM not conquered the world? It is because they know that they already are the world. They have become all-knowing beings, and they would have no use for conquering the world. You could say that they are so powerful, they know that there is no need.

Oh wow...That makes so much sense...

I have just achieved CHIM in real life. Cookie please?

Edit: Sorry, but that just made the world so much deeper for me. My mind has just been blown. ^_^ That has just made the Elder Scrolls if not the deepest game franchise I've ever played, the deepest one I've ever played by an amazing margin. I think I need a moment to collect my mind.

Sarcasm?

No, actually it isn't. Maybe it's due to the 2 coffees I've had today and my biochemistry, but I completely understand!

Awesome. That gives me a sense of achievement; I was successfully able to explain CHIM to someone. :biggrin:

To tell you the truth, I'm not exactly sure how accurate I was. There's a thread somewhere (I think it may have been on the TIL forums) where Lady N explains everything about CHIM. It would be a far more reliable source than myself. Of course, it's depth also makes it more confusing.

At least his executioner has an awesome coat.

I'll give another shot at this. The Godhead is the dreamer. However, the dreamer ended going mad and its mind split into two (Anu and Padomay) originally. From those two, it split even further down when Anu and Padomay created the grey maybe when they collided. So, in essence, the Godhead is now 10^n minds, instead of the original divide or his own. And these appear as the mortals, gods, daedra, and other mythical beings. Everything you see, touch, smell, taste, and feel is all part of a mad and heavily divided mind of the mad dreamer called the Godhead.

With CHIM, it's not a matter of knowing you are everyone and everyone is you, but it's about realizing that you are everyone, everyone is you, in addition to retaining your individuality. It's supposed to be paradoxical in nature. If you leave out the part about you still being an individual, you zero-sum and cease to exist, because you become everyone and you didn't have the personality to say "I AM ME"

You know what you all need to to?

Take Heaven By Violence.

Psh, it's the khornanite way to solve all problems and situations with violence.

What everyone seems to be missing from this is the love that comes from being a parent.

The parent of ALL OF IT.

Does that help or hinder?

Well that helps bring into the context of what Vivec means by love.

This all makes sense, I just don't think it should be a confirmed thing in the series. Sure, it's canon, but it seems the idea is more canon while the absolute knowledge if it's true or not is unclear (like any philosophy). Saying it's 100% known to be true kind of ruin's the series's lore IMO. Keep it as a vague philosophy of Vivec.

You can be sure to never see a direct reference to CHIM in any of the games. The games have severely watered down lore so they won't frighten off any newcomers.

Sadly this is true.

That is simply not true. CHIM is discussed in both the Sermons and the Commentaries, which are highly significant to the game they appear in.

I did say "direct reference". I had played Morrowind for about 5 years without knowing about the Sermons' connection with CHIM, and it never affected the gameplay or story.

Isn't the player in CHIM state? CHIM isn't knowing (since knowing is limited by capacity of the mind) but more like realizing that you are more powerful than your character (or avatar) and that you can tap into the engine to metamorph the experience to your liking. So you can grasp and change almost every part of the game, and preserve the sense of higher-self.

The player has CHIM, your character does not.

I don't think so. Imho.

The Nerevarine might have achieved CHIM in the future (since teaching him it was the purpose of the Sermons). The player can't have CHIM because the player doesn't exist in Nirn, and the character doesn't have CHIM because its some seriously uber stuff. As soon as you start comparing CHIM to the construction set, saved games, or anything else you muddle the concept unto irrelevancy.

Who loves the world into reality?

Let's say that I understand the basic principles of quantuum physics and I can access the 0-point energy state by my overdeveloped state of consciousness of what is real. And I can alter my experience of this world, changing matter and summon stuff. Does that bring the concept of nirvana into being irrelevant and needless?

edit:
i think it's the same thing, but on a more simple scape. like a preview of "real stuff". fractal universe, anyone? ^^

So...
Let's say i've achieved CHIM
I am the parent of everything, including myself. I am beyond space-time, good-evil, and all the other fragments of everyone's mind.
But hey, I totally love this [censored]. I love being a schizophrenic bastard, I love duality and being un-whole.
But I love this stuff as a parent. Let this mental sickness grow, change, stand still, I welcome everything that's going on with the dream-world around me.
So I am in the position of the creator, the maker. I am totally in a 'flow' mode, totally focused on stuff going on around me, totally in love with this stuff but aware of my limit - a limit I choose to acknowledge, because otherwise there will be NO creator-parent(me) and nothing to create, and I LOVE creation and my(everyone's) creations.
Some might say I'm insane, but screw them, I'm way cooler than they are.
Cause they don't exist.
And I choose to exist.

Love, bah. But a footnote in the appendix of a minor almanac, one point in a sphere.