It is my understanding that all the realms of Oblivion are actually their respective daedra prince. There is also considerable evidence suggesting that Mundus is a realm of Oblivion. So, if that is the case, then what is the Daedra Prince of Mundus?

If that's the case, then it's Lorkhan.

According to the logic of the Mythic Dawn, Lorkhan was the Prince of Mundus but he was cast down and cleaved in several parts.

That is, by the way, NOT the commonly held belief among the priests and scholars of Tamriel. It's a radical, fringe, controversial statement made by a raving mad man.

That may be true, but it is also a common belief that all daedra are evil and morrowind showed that to be wrong.

Every piece of evidence besides the ramblings of Mancar Camoran (a crazy person, considering he was trying to let Dagon destroy the imperial City) points to Mundas not being a daedric realm. There are 8 Aedric realms within Mundas, and so far the only explanation for that is the Monomyth.

And no scholars thought that all Daedra were evil. In fact, Daedric was a language skill you could learn in daggerfall. only commoners ever thought that, and many still do.

Ok that makes sense.

The thing about Mundus is that it's unique. It's surrounded by the waters of Oblivion on all sides but is thought to be separate from it.

Lorkhan's heart is certainly the sigil stone of the world, but it's also the realm of the Aedra.

You might consider the aforementioned http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Monomyth or perhaps for starters http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:A_Children%27s_Anuad.

The Nine Eight Divines are Mundus, in a weird way. When they created the world under Lorkhan's influence, a piece of each split off and died. The dead parts became Mundus as we know it, along with the dead parts of Lorkhan, who was killed by the living parts of the Aedra and eaten by Akatosh. So while it does have the trappings of a Oblivion Realm (made of the gods who created it) since it was made by several, no one god is omnipotent there, as opposed to Mehrunes Dagon. Since he is his realm, while in it he is all-powerful*, but out of it he is "only" more powerful than anything non-heroic humans could reasonably muster.

*Naturally, that doesn't make him smart or cautious, which led to his downfall in Battlespire.

Actually, according to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Lunar_Lorkhan, the dead parts of Lorkhan became the twin moons of Masser and Secunda.

The part of Lorkhan which powers and anchors Nirn is his still-beating heart.

Tricky question.

I could say Lorkhan and the Eight and argue as follows:

While you can say that Mundus is plane in Oblivion, it is not like any other plane. The most important difference being that something happened here. Be it a betrayal of Aedra in the traditional myths or betrayal of Lorkhan if you go by Mankar, something happened here to set it apart. Most noticeably it's in the dream sleeve, where other Daedra remember we forget when we die.

But if Mundus was a plane of Oblivion and Lorkhan it's prince, his sphere would be mortality and creativity.

To the Altmer, who're stuck in the Demon Lorkhan's paradise, he's certainly not their ancestor.

Not so much, as daedra can't die. Lorkhan has been dead for quite awhile, you can see his rotting ass in the sky.

Only if you thought that going into Morrowind. I don't know why you would.

If he was a crazy person, his patron would be Sheogorath. Why chase the boring revolution of Dagon if he was crazy?

The commoners do think the daedra are evil, I agree with you, because the church of the eight would tell them that.

Corruping inexpressable action would not see it that way.

Daedra can still leave corpses behind.

By that logic the Divines have been dead for some time because you walk all over their rotting carcasses every day

There's two elements to Lorkhan. His body became the moons and that part is very much dead, but his divine spark is quite literally the heart of the world. He is not dead or there would be no world at all.

Removing the battery from the robot pretty well means the robot is dead. Even if you use the battery in another robot.

And if the battery still has power, it isn't dead. This isn't the modern heart, this is the intellect, mind, and soul: the essence of being.

But is he simply alive, or is he experiencing the afterlife?

This isn't the modern heart, or the intellect, or the mind. It is the soul, but it's sad if it is also the essence of being. The magical power that the little elves applied jumper cables to is a soulgem. Even if it represented something living about Lorkhan, are we calling his non-thinking internal organ the same as his whole self? Nah. Can you call his soulgem tenure life? Nah.

What are we to make of http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pelinal_Whitestrake when Shor forgets he is dead for a decade or two?

Right, and we're talking about his Heart, which is his being (hence life and power belong to those who craft likenesses of it), and, yes, it is metaphysical and not the soulgem. Yeah, you could call http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Spirit_of_Nirn,_God_of_Mortals.


The Aldudagga places him between the world of the living and the world of the dead. He wanders between them from the afterlife, though divided from his Heart, he's untransformed.

Monomyth to:



There is a question that is often overlooked: If the Aedra died, and we still see them now. What are we seeing?

Perhaps we should closer examine what death is to beings like the Aedra.

The same as for us, if it were anything else it would not be called death.

More to the point:



It would appear that those who created Mundus are not the same as those that are perceived as such.



How does a tale like this fit into that story?



The Aedra were givers and then they became lairs? They lie about what?

You're to duck and cover or fight beside him when he drifts on that side of the life/death divide. Either one is likely to result in violent death, but hey.

Sometimes he's more impressive than others, of course.

Wulfharth seemed to have a habit of being tricked into killing himself or otherwise being outright killed while getting far less done than Pelinal. I guess that depends on your point of view and which version of events you choose to believe, of course.

Woe to the Oath-breakers! Of the skin of gold, the Xarxes Mysteriuum says "Be fooled not by the forlorn that ride astray the roadway, for they lost faith and this losing was caused by the Aedra who would know no other planets."

Those who've lost faith in the endeavor to follow their heart will build idols to the hearts of others.