What does 'Nu' mean?

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:04 pm

Nu-Mantia, Numidium, Nu-Hatta, Nucyrod.

I hadnt really thought about this until the awesome new posts by MK and others, but what does the word 'Nu' mean?

In 'Return False': "Ghost Counsel Choir (Blade-Seneschal and above): "Peli-NULL. Hatta is dead. Move to formation of NU-Hatta post-assembly by his brethren blessed. 331 High Chancellor regains the floor."

Hatta is dead and his brethren form Nu-Hatta?

In 'Return False': "Still, it is time that you knew. The truth is simple: I am dying. The world of Nucyrod cannot support you much longer. I will fold under my own weight before another of your generations has completed its life in blissful ignorance"

New Cyrod?

Could the word 'Nu' simply mean 'new'?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:09 am

Yep.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:59 pm

Yep.

Yay I figured something out!
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:08 pm

What? You're saying that Nu does in fact mean "new"? Then I was correct in my earlier assumption.

If we were to replace Nu with new in every occurrence of the word we'd have this:

New-minit, New-midium, New-Hatta, New-mantia, A-new, A-new-iel, New-minatus, New-cyrod, A-New-midium.

What then could the definitions of some of these words mean? Numinit for example is used in place of omit. How does the stem, Nu help to define the word? The same can be said with Nu-mantia, which either means liberty or exists as a word always said before liberty, like a battle cry. And Numidium/Anumidium? We can assume that "midium" means hope, as seen with the word, "Chimarvamidium" which translates to Hope of the Chimer, with Chimarv or Chimarva being a genitive form of Chimer. Assuming this is true, we can translate Numidium as "New Hope" and Anumidium possibly as "Another New Hope" unless the stem of Anumidium isn't Anu. On that same subject, what would Anu mean? Or is this simply a coincidence that Anu contains the Nu stem? I'd like to think so, but the name of this force would have been among the first words, and Nu is probably a derived root from Anu.

Thoughts?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:20 pm

Anu= Not New?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:11 pm

Anu= Not New?
If we're going with this Nu = New theory, then that seems doubtful considering Numidium is sometimes also called Anumidium, unless there's some crazy concept going on with the Brass God being seen as both new and not new, which, when I think about it, doesn't seem unreasonable.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:09 am

Perhaps Numidium and Anumidium are just different ends on the same battery, the terminals from which and into chronocules and terrestrons flow.

EDIT: Also in my anology, Nirn is a Gameboy.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:05 pm

If we're going with this Nu = New theory, then that seems doubtful considering Numidium is sometimes also called Anumidium, unless there's some crazy concept going on with the Brass God being seen as both new and not new, which, when I think about it, doesn't seem unreasonable.
Anumidium is Akulakhan, Dagoth Ur's second Numidium.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:47 am

I'm perfectly fine with Akulakhan/Anumidium meaning "Not new." The Heart isn't exactly fresh off the production line anyway.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:13 pm

How about Anu just means A-new. Anew.
Or maybe renew?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:34 pm

Can anyone think of any examples where the prefix "a" definitely means, "not"? If it's true, it would be greatly beneficial.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:45 am

Nope. Just Greek grammar and that logic that Anu=Stasis=No Change=Nothing New.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:59 am

If we're going with this Nu = New theory, then that seems doubtful considering Numidium is sometimes also called Anumidium, unless there's some crazy concept going on with the Brass God being seen as both new and not new, which, when I think about it, doesn't seem unreasonable.
Weren't there crazy time warps involved with the use of the God-Constructs? Maybe it is just seen as the same entity?

I want really want to play or read Tiber Septim building Anumidium.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:38 am

Anu could also be linguistically separate from nu-. Or Anu could mean "original" (not new by virtue of being the first thing).
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:50 am

I had completely forgotten that Anu wasn't an original word invention. It doesn't stop the devs from giving it a different meaning though like with Nu-Mantia.

Anu could also be linguistically separate from nu-. Or Anu could mean "original" (not new by virtue of being the first thing).
I'd like to think that, but it still seems unlikely to me because Anu was probably one of the first words in Ehlnofex. Is Anu Ehlnofex even or just Aldmeris? The two languages are heavily connected though, aren't they?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:57 pm

I had completely forgotten that Anu wasn't an original word invention. It doesn't stop the devs from giving it a different meaning though like with Nu-Mantia.
Indeed. Earlier I was going to point out that since the name is taken directly from Sumerian, it might not have any in-world meaning, but then I thought "nah, that'd be boring and lazy", so thought better of commenting.
...which makes me wonder why I'm typing now?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:09 pm

I thought "d" was the Altmeri prefix for "not"? After all, "Aedra" = "Ancestors", "Daedra" = "Not ancestors". Unless there's actually a subtle difference between "a" and "d" in this case that is lost when translating it into English but could, for all we know, mean all the world to an Altmer (not that they value the world... never mind).
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:39 pm

I thought "d" was the Altmeri prefix for "not"? After all, "Aedra" = "Ancestors", "Daedra" = "Not ancestors". Unless there's actually a subtle difference between "a" and "d" in this case that is lost when translating it into English but could, for all we know, mean all the world to an Altmer (not that they value the world... never mind).
I've never thought of that, but I think the D in Daedra is an isolated usage.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:51 am

Linguistics has odd variables though and should not be treated as math.
Unless its Latin. I still maintain that the written form is the most mathematical approach to any language I have ever seen.

We are talking about a single letter here. We shouldnt treat it as math as an is or is not, or plus or minus, we should view it as people. People have 'passion' in the classical sense meaning soul, fire, drive, blood, emotion, as opposed to the clinical 'AB =\ A'
If the premise is that 'Nu' is 'New' then 'Anu' does not have to mean 'opposite of new'.
It could denote any concept related to it, but sufficiently distinct to be named different.

It could be a concept relating to 'Nu' but distinct because a derivate?

On a tangent, the the Padomay/ Anu thingy is confusing.
On the one hand there is the Chaos and the Stasis and that is fine.
But there is also the No and Yes, the Negation and Affirmation.
I have read that Anu cannot be 'new' as it is stasis. But Anu is also the Yes.

I see it like this:
Inside itself the stasis contains all that ever can be. It is all that is possible. Yet nothing can be achieved because it is like a crystaline structure and unchanging.
Inside the chaos is the void. It is all that eats the possible. Nothing can exist because it eats itself.
Yet when the two spheres meet there is the interplay. The chaos nibbles at the stasis and the stasis freezes the chaos in place.

As a mathematical view, imagine a sphere of pluses, +1, +18, +pi and the rest, colliding with a sphere of minuses.
They do not all meet their antithesis.
Sometimes a +18 meets a -2 and we are left with a 16. Or the other way around.

Of course this is a hopelessly Earthian way of looking at things.

Still it is the stasis that the concepts are soaked off of, by the chaos that shapes them as a concept apart from Anu.
I hope this isnt too confusing. Im basically saying that all kinds of yes do not exist without some kinds of no to dilute them away from the all-encompassing Yes.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:03 pm

I thought "d" was the Altmeri prefix for "not"? After all, "Aedra" = "Ancestors", "Daedra" = "Not ancestors". Unless there's actually a subtle difference between "a" and "d" in this case that is lost when translating it into English but could, for all we know, mean all the world to an Altmer (not that they value the world... never mind).

And in the chimer sense, it means "Our better ancestors."
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:22 pm

And in the retcon sense, it was an old Nord's translation that created the word "daemon".
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:11 am

Linguistics has odd variables though and should not be treated as math.
Unless its Latin. I still maintain that the written form is the most mathematical approach to any language I have ever seen.
I dunno. When I was learning Russian; it felt like math to me.

We are talking about a single letter here. We shouldnt treat it as math as an is or is not, or plus or minus, we should view it as people. People have 'passion' in the classical sense meaning soul, fire, drive, blood, emotion, as opposed to the clinical 'AB =\ A'
Even though the word "passion" derives from the Latin "passio" which means suffering and is not thought of that way when using "passion" today. I'm being difficult aren't I? 8:00-10:00 PM is my difficult time.

If the premise is that 'Nu' is 'New' then 'Anu' does not have to mean 'opposite of new'.
It could denote any concept related to it, but sufficiently distinct to be named different.

It could be a concept relating to 'Nu' but distinct because a derivate?[sic]
I agree. For now though I'm just grasping at any branch in reach, no matter how thin. For all we know, "A" could be completely unique in its usage with "Anu", and it could mean something like "The Big New" or "The First New", which actually sounds quite good to me at the moment, but then again we could all be whistling Dixie out our second apertures if the devs just decided to lift the name from Sumerian myth without extrapolating a linguistic background.

On a tangent, the the Padomay/ Anu thingy is confusing.
On the one hand there is the Chaos and the Stasis and that is fine.
But there is also the No and Yes, the Negation and Affirmation.
I have read that Anu cannot be 'new' as it is stasis. But Anu is also the Yes.
Yes. That has been a thorn in my side for awhile. Aedra and Daedra states that:

Aedra are associated with stasis. Daedra represent change.
Aedra created the mortal world and are bound to the Earth Bones. Daedra, who cannot create, have the power to change.
I'm not sure how a static being can be beings of creation. In the same way; I don't know how beings of pure change can be unable of creation. It's like the universe is built on laws of semantics, and it is all very frustrating to reconcile.

I see it like this:
Inside itself the stasis contains all that ever can be. It is all that is possible. Yet nothing can be achieved because it is like a crystaline structure and unchanging.
Inside the chaos is the void. It is all that eats the possible. Nothing can exist because it eats itself.
Yet when the two spheres meet there is the interplay. The chaos nibbles at the stasis and the stasis freezes the chaos in place.
That's quite good, although it puts a bit of pressure on my head to take it all in.

As a mathematical view, imagine a sphere of pluses, +1, +18, +pi and the rest, colliding with a sphere of minuses.
They do not all meet their antithesis.
Sometimes a +18 meets a -2 and we are left with a 16. Or the other way around.
The only problem with this is that not all mundane things can be so easily broken up into Anuic and Padomaic forces. I never considered any of the mortal races to exist on a Anuic/Padomaic continuum. I consider the Gray Maybe to be an all-or nothing scenario. Once you're in that gray area, it doesn't matter if you're smack dab in the middle or teetering on the edge of either side. You're gray; mundane; mortal. It's not like you can't leave though; see Talos, Mannimarco, ALMSIVI, Xarxes, etc.

Still it is the stasis that the concepts are soaked off of, by the chaos that shapes them as a concept apart from Anu.
I view it as sodium joining with chlorine to produce something that doesn't hold the outward properties of either. You put Anu and Padomay together, and you get something that is neither.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:33 pm

I view it as sodium joining with chlorine to produce something that doesn't hold the outward properties of either. You put Anu and Padomay together, and you get something that is neither.

Yes, exactly that.
The interplay allows concepts that neither perfect sphere could begat on its own.
Yet the possibility was always present in Anu, it just had to be teased out by Padomay.

(Do excuse the spelling. Im doing quite well for a Dutch person, I think. I even remember to spell 'I' with a capital always. Its interesting to see how much language has influence on spelling, in this case the (cultural) mandate to make I a capital.)((In Dutch its perfectly possible to construct a sentence with the 'I'in the middle and it would not be capitalised. Such as: 'We gingen naar het strand en ik at een ijsje', which would be: 'We went to the beach and I ate an icecream' That in one language there is a capital and in the other there isnt I find fascinating))
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:11 pm

I know I'm late, but

ANUMIDUM

NOT ANUMIDIUM
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:03 pm

I know I'm late, but
No worries. I saved a flew slices of pizza. They're in the fridge beside the Flin.
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