Well i cant talk for the US. But here in Australia when I joined the Army in '86 the main battle rifle was the SLR L1A1 then it was replaced in '88 by the F-88. My guess is the US would be the same ie: the M16A1 was replaced by the M16A2 etc. The term Battle Eifle is used fir the main infantry weapon in use at the time. Well here atleast anyway.

Is that 70-year old propaganda, or modern poetic brilliance?

Soviet superiority.

Wow. Where do I start?

The US Rifle, M1, produced at Springfield Armory, commonly called the Garand after it's principle designer has been chambered in .308 (well, 7.62 NATO). There were many in US Navy shipboard armories that underwent a refit with a press-in chamber sleeve to rechamber them for the new NATO round. Eventually all the rifles were replaced with M14s, which was just a major re-invention of the M1. The Navy always is a little behind in their service rifle replacement. When I was in the Marines, well after the US Army and Marines had trasitioned to the M16A1, all the Navy tugs I was forced to take a taxi ride on still had M14s in the armories. That was the first time I'd gotten a chance to shoot one. For all I know, they still use them. Haven't been shipboard for decades now so I don't know if they ever got M16s.


*Most* German weapons of the time period were incredibly well designed, manufacured and were among the best weapons in their respective classes. Late in the war, when resources were scant their weapons reflected their poor manufacuring capability, but going into the war they were outfitted with some first class gear and it only got better. They did have some room for improvement, as many of their sidearms were in a very small caliber, 7.65 (our Browning designed .32ACP), their largest handgun round was the 9mm, and they stuck with a bolt-action service rifle for most of the war because their attempts to produce a viable semi-automatic service rifle failed for many years. They did finally field the Gewehr 43 and eventually the SturmGewehr 44, the latter a much better weapon than the first and a direct ancestor of many rifles you know and love today, ie. G3, CETME, FAL, etc..


The term "Service Rifle" is used to denote a nation's primary infantry long arm. It has been in use for quite some time. The term "Battle Rifle" came about as a means to differentiate between bolt-action service rifles of the previous generation, eg. US Rifle M1903, the semi-auto/select fire large cartridge rifles that replaced them in and around WWII and small caliber service rifles adopted by many nations after 1960, eg. US Rifle M16. The major criteria for inclusion in the "Battle Rifle" catagory would be semi-auto or select fire action and chambering in a full sized rifle round, eg. 7.62x51mm NATO, .30-06, 7.62x54R, 7.92x57JS, etc rather than "intermediate cartrdiges" eg. 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39, 7.92x33 Kurz. It is a term used mainly by firearms collectors and historians to differentiate a class of weapons rather than a term used by militaries or manufacturers for classification. The US Rifle M1, being the first general issue semi-automatic, full-size cartridge service rifle, is generally considered the progenitor of the classification. There were semi-auto full size cartridge rifles prior to the M1, eg. the Mexican Mondragon, but none were successfully fielded by any militaries.


As noted above, the generally accepted term worldwide for the primary long arm issued to national militaries is Service Rifle. It may or may not be a "Battle Rifle".



-Gunny out.

Some posts have gone away, some edited. Please remember that jokes are sometimes difficult to "get" on the internet so it's bust to let folks know for sure if you are joiking. A or a j/k can help. But we do hold folks responsible for flames even in jest. So consider this fair warning.

Another thing, the word Nazi is almost never brought up that it does not incite some sort of problems. Maybe we could just leave that out of the discussion.

In general, I prefer to give weapons functional names and avoid getting wrapped up in specific designations used by manufacturers or the military. Because our weapons must, for technical reasons, occasionally differ functionally from the weapons upon which they are based (different caliber, charging handle placement, receiver height, stock shape/length, etc.) giving them a more utilitarian name helps negate some of the potential pedantry over those deviations.

There are no AR-15s, Colt Commandos, Browning Hi-Powers, BFRs, M1 Garands, Winchester 1886s, 1887s, or 1892s in Fallout: New Vegas -- just Service Rifles, Assault Carbines, 9mm Pistols, Hunting Revolvers, This Machine, Brush Guns, Lever-Action Shotguns, and Cowboy Repeaters.

That's also why there are no M1911s or Thompsons in Honest Hearts, but you'll find plenty of .45 Auto Pistols and .45 Auto Submachine Guns.

Understood. That being said, trying to stop us from using those terms to discuss them is an impossible task. I often do try to use the proper game names for the weapons, especially when I'm discussing something specific to the weapon's use/implementation in the game, but when more generalized conversations arise about these weapons, it's very difficult not to fall back on our knowledge and history with the real life weapons we believe they represent. I'm probably one of the biggest culprits of this.

PS. I always though the Brush Gun looked much more like a Marlin 1895 than a Winchester 1886. :wink_smile: See? There I go again.

-Gunny

The Brush Gun actually looks more like a Winchester Model 71. After ignorantly playing through thinking all the lever-actions were just generalized designs, Josh's post got me looking on google images and opened my eyes.
BTW, the Automatic Rifle will always be the BAR in my eyes.

The standard Brush Gun is more Marlin 1895ish, but with the upgraded receiver (which is essentially the whole "gun" part to make any sense out of the mod), it looks more Winchester 1886ish.

e: but of all the guns, the lever-actions (and Light Machine Gun) are the most mish-mashy.

Yah me to.

I see what you're talking about now. I never noticed the forged receiver moves the ejection to the top of the weapon, ala Winchesrer 1886ish, rather than the side as the non-modded version. There are a few more styling cues, like the lever pivot attachment to the frame, but the ejection port was the biggest one.

Frankly, I kinga prefer the completely made up weapons. Especially for anything that the divergence might effect. New weapons, new cartridges, I'm all for all that. There's about a 100 year gap in weapon developement to fill. I think that's where you guys have the freedom and license to do whatever you want without comparisons or critiques due to a weapon's similarity to a real life one.

On that note, I'm assuming that since all the DLC are essentially done, and you know how much I love to play guessing games with this stuff, I was wondering if you might wanna drop a hint about how many more new firearm types we might see? Just a nice vague hint or two. It'd fuel the speculation fires for a while.

-Gunny out.

I think it would be cool if in a DLC, possibly whichever has the Big Empty, you can come across some refined Nazi wonder weapons.

Gotta love it. :thumbsup: It's so classic and iconic.

:bowdown:

This. This is why I love you guys at Obsidian. You can take the simplest of things, or complex, and make it into something that can be compared to a Real Life Counter-Part, but with a Fallout Twist put on it. Love you guys' work. :thumbsup:

+ 1 my thought exactly when I read that.

On topic. M1 Garand is awesome. I love shooting it. "the greatest battle implement ever devised"



Kar98k is a great weapon. Mine was converted by the Israelis to nato 7.62 after WW2.

That does sound interesting but after 300+ years of not being used and just sitting around doesnt sound so good.

Nice! Another member of the 98k owner's club.

Check out the terminal in Contreras' building, it has evidence of non-unique battle rifles having been in the game at one point before release. I wonder why those were cut.

*looks at J.E. Sawyer with puppy eyes*

I've got a Spanish one from La Coruna, 1947.

-Gunny out.

Weapon Mods Expanded... you can buy them from vendors. Saweet! If I could only keep one (of my half-dozen favorite) mods, WMX would have to be it. Although, losing Project Nevada would make me cry.... real bad....