What is Dragon Blood and Why Is It Required To Wear the Amul

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:06 am

Does someone having Dragon Blood mean they are descended from Alessia? What exactly does having Dragon Blood have to do with wearing the Amulet of KIngs?
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Does someone having Dragon Blood mean they are descended from Alessia?

No. Dragon blood isn't about blood.

What exactly does having Dragon Blood have to do with wearing the Amulet of KIngs?
Nothing.

Third Era Septim propaganda.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:46 am

Third Era Septim propaganda.

Then explain how only Dragonborn folks can wear it, please.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:24 am

Then explain how only Dragonborn folks can wear it, please.

Well strictly speaking, there has been only one person who could not wear it.

The direct line from Tiber Septim ended with his (grand?)son. After that there are many more gaping holes in the bloodline. Aunts, uncles, inlaws, they've all been on the throne - and wearing the Amulet I presume.

Now you might argue that their shared ancestors with Tibers had the right property, but the consequence of that is that just about everybody in Tamriel will have it.

So either nearly everybody has it, making it meaningless, or it's simply not hereditary. So it can be imaginary or arbitrary.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 8:04 pm

[derp]
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 7:24 pm

Then explain how only Dragonborn folks can wear it, please.

"only Dragonborn folks can wear the Amulet of Kings" is simply a theory that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Dragonborn is not even a well defined concept. It's just a title Talos claimed and that the Septims tried to keep to legitimate themselves. But the Septims coming after Pelagius I were not even direct heirs of Talos.
This theory also makes de facto Mankar a dragonborn (uh ?)
The ritual of the Amulet of Kings does exist since at least Reman, so probably an Emperor cannot rule without wearing the Amulet of Kings (he/she is binding his/her soul to the gem anyway) and lighting the dragonfires, that's part of coronation.
Now explain to me how Katariah (a dunmer) and Uriel IV could rule Cyrodiil for one hundred years without even being able to wear the Amulet. Because she had exactly zero Septim blood in her veins, and Uriel IV might technically be a Septim, but it's not a great lineage anyway. If he could wear the Amulet all fine and the Amulet was so important, then why did the Elder Council not see him as legitimate and then proceeded to prevent his son Andorak from becoming Emperor ?
Events like Potema speaking at the Elder Council to prevent the soon-to-be Kintyra II from becoming Empress would not even make sense in this context : either Kintyra were the legit daughter of Antiochus and would be able to wear the Amulet, or she couldn't. But in practice, it was always the Elder Council that decided who would become the ruler of Cyrodiil. No case of the Amulet rejecting someone as Emperor/Empress is known.

To sum it up, the choice is between discarding Baurus' claims and liturgy books like Trials of St Alessia and Amulet of Kings, or retconning entirely 500 years of Septim history. It's a no brainer really.

Well strictly speaking, there has been only one person who could not wear it.

And that person became a shezzarine later on by mantling Pelinal, go figure.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:18 am

And that person became a shezzarine later on by mantling Pelinal, go figure.

Couldn't have his heart back just yet. :P
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:45 am

This theory also makes de facto Mankar a dragonborn (uh ?)

Just throwing this out there, but Mankar Camoran is technically royalty. Is he not a descendant of the Camoran Dynasty?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:11 am

Just throwing this out there, but Mankar Camoran is technically royalty. Is he not a descendant of the Camoran Dynasty?
He's the child of the Camoran Usurper.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:42 am

"only Dragonborn folks can wear the Amulet of Kings" is simply a theory that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
It's also the most recent Word of God statement we have on the Amulet from Todd.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 9:13 pm

It's also the most recent Word of God statement we have on the Amulet from Todd.
Can I get a link for this, please?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:26 am

GameInformer; the big Skyrim issue.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 7:45 pm

Who?
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 8:52 pm

It's also the most recent Word of God statement we have on the Amulet from Todd.
I still have the Skyrim GI. He never said that. In the Oblivion making of DVD, he said that Mankar Camoran could wear it because he was "from a different line of kings." Real life, or programming finagling, wrote the plot and, in my mind, made it better. What constitutes royalty in Tamriel? People following you? Lineage? Ritual? Perhaps all and none of those things? Dragonborn is as much a spiritual as a physical state, anyways. Mankar can wear it, Martin can wear it, but a Shezzarine in the Future can't, because, being a form of Shezzar, he can't be dragonborn. at least not yet. Not while causality and linear time still work the way they should.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 10:22 pm

I still have the Skyrim GI. He never said that. In the Oblivion making of DVD, he said that Mankar Camoran could wear it because he was "from a different line of kings." Real life, or programming finagling, wrote the plot and, in my mind, made it better. What constitutes royalty in Tamriel? People following you? Lineage? Ritual? Perhaps all and none of those things? Dragonborn is as much a spiritual as a physical state, anyways. Mankar can wear it, Martin can wear it, but a Shezzarine in the Future can't, because, being a form of Shezzar, he can't be dragonborn. at least not yet. Not while causality and linear time still work the way they should.
This was something similar to those who are allowed to use the Totem of Tiber Septim.

You ask me....even Gortwag could have worn the Amulet of Kings >.>
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:38 am

This was something similar to those who are allowed to use the Totem of Tiber Septim.

You ask me....even Gortwag could have worn the Amulet of Kings >.>
Because he is a king, in that he bothers other kings, has people who follow him, and calls himself a king. He is a leader, where the CoC is a follower and wetwork-man (or woman).
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:46 am

Don't forget mailman.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 10:29 pm

Ever tried putting on the Amulet in the game? It falls off. You physically cannot wear the Amulet of Kings. It even has a special message box if I recall correctly. So i'd say it's more than propoganda.

I remember, because I was annoyed when I couldn't put on the cool bling. =(
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 9:12 pm

Ever tried putting on the Amulet in the game? It falls off. You physically cannot wear the Amulet of Kings. It even has a special message box if I recall correctly. So i'd say it's more than propoganda.

I remember, because I was annoyed when I couldn't put on the cool bling. =(
See above. Martin (by the time he gets it) and Camoran are leaders. The CoC is a glorified errand boy cross daedra prince.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 10:12 pm

^^Yeah, just wanted to put it out plainly, even if there is little need. Thats how I roll. =P
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 8:01 pm

I still have the Skyrim GI. He never said that.
"Howard explains, 'They're [Dragonborn] anointed by the gods. That's why they can light the dragonfires and become emperor.'"

So yeah, they don't explicitly mention the amulet, but you do need to be Dragonborn to light the Dragonfires, and that does sorta go together with wearing the Amulet.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 7:44 pm

"Howard explains, 'They're [Dragonborn] anointed by the gods. That's why they can light the dragonfires and become emperor.'"

So yeah, they don't explicitly mention the amulet, but you do need to be Dragonborn to light the Dragonfires, and that does sorta go together with wearing the Amulet.

Anointed by the gods. No problem. Fancy ritual, have a priest splash some water in your face in the right temple. Get high and climb the sky to forge a pact with the gods. Learn how use special clasp. Do something special and you're done.

Dragonborn implies something hereditary. This is contradicting several thousand years of history.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 9:57 pm

Anointed by the gods. No problem. Fancy ritual, have a priest splash some water in your face in the right temple. Get high and climb the sky to forge a pact with the gods. Learn how use special clasp. Do something special and you're done.

Dragonborn implies something hereditary. This is contradicting several thousand years of history.
Perhaps one needs not be born to a Dragonborn to be(come) one.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 9:03 pm

Yes, more recently in the Skyrim presentations he stated that a 'dragonborn is someone born with the soul of a dragon'. That of course does not discount rebirth... perhaps your executon goes ahead as planned but you don't stay as dead as one usually does. Or perhaps it can be done it he manner of a christian baptism; it is a rebirth of the spirit.
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Post » Sun May 06, 2012 8:41 pm

perhaps your executon goes ahead as planned but you don't stay as dead as one usually does.
I doubt that, just for gameplay reasons. Bethesda won't force us into a role from the very beginning.
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