What Exactly is Sithis?

Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:42 am

Is he an entity or an personified view on the power that dwells in nothingness? I know he's the "Dread Father" and is in some beliefs married to the Night Mother (which representation of the Night Mother he is married to is beyond me) but i'm not sure as to how to interpret that.
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Dan Scott
 
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:12 am

Sithis.... isn't.

That's about as succinct as it can get.
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Stu Clarke
 
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:44 am

Sithis is the Void, the Is Not, stasis, chaos and the counterpart of Anuiel. It is the inter-play of Anuiel and Sithis (Both of whom also go by many, many names other names) that creates the Aurbis, which houses all existence in The Elder Scrolls.

Read http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:20 am

Sithis isn't stasis, that'd be his counter part.

Oh, and Sithis doesn't give a crap if you kill someone, probably doesn't even notice it, and if you really take the Dark Brotherhood seriously, smack the back of your head. If anything, they're more tied to Lorkhan and Melphala.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:37 pm

My bad, that was supposed to be static not stasis.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:34 am

He's not that either, that's also his counter part.

Sithis: Is not, Black, Change, Chaos, zero
Auriel: Is, White, Stasis, Order, infinity
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:48 pm

Stasis/Change - Is the contrast I was looking for.

I don't know I got my words mixed up.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:43 am

He's not that either, that's also his counter part.

Sithis: Is not, Black, Change, Chaos, zero
Auriel: Is, White, Stasis, Order, infinity


I sometimes wonder if he is more of a contradiction in his own terms - but then ofc would I then have to say he is 'not' a contradiction in his own terms?
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:56 pm

More like a contradiction to Anu, Auriel, etc I figure. The part of Anu/Auriel that says no to Auriel's yes in a way.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:41 am

If we're going by the Dark Brotherhood's definition, then that Sithis seems to be a dark and nihilistic take on Lorkhan.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:37 pm

Well, Shor is apparently born of Sithis, as the book Sithis says. And this isn't unfounded, for he is noted to be a Padomayic being. However, it should be noted that there seems to be a succession going on here:
Padomay --> Sithis (soul of Padomay) --> Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan (soul of the soul of Padomay)
Anu --> Anuiel (soul of Anu) --> Akatosh (soul of the soul of Anu)
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:47 am

Another thing that makes me wonder, does Anuiel receive any reverence in Nirn as Sithis does? In the fact that the Dark Brotherhood worship Sithis, regardless if there perception/view is correct or not - It could be used as another argument that the Brotherhood's worship of Sithis is just worship of Mephala in another guise, all according to her plan(s).

Surely if Sithis is revered, than why not Anuiel?
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:27 pm

Anuiel is revered as the All-Maker to the Skaal. And I guess it's a worship by association for Auriel to Anuiel and Anu from the elves.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:18 am

Bleh, double post
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:17 pm

Anuiel didn't make everything on his own, he had help from Sithis.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:24 pm

Anuiel didn't make everything on his own, he had help from Sithis.

True, but to the Skaal, the All-Maker is Anuiel. Or at least that is what I was told by proweler and Lugar2, and they tend to know a lot more than me
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:18 am

Sooo, the Greedy-Man is Sithis and Aevar is Lorkhan/Auri-el?
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:36 pm

Sooo, the Greedy-Man is Sithis and Aevar is Lorkhan/Auri-el? It doesn't really matter, I guess.

Greedy-Man was supposed to be Lorkhan, and the World Eater Alduin, and both were an aspect of The Adversary. At least that was what was explained to me. The Greedy-Man part is backed up in the 7 Fights, where G-Man and MD were hiding stuff around from the previous kalpa.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:37 am

Alright. I figured the Adversary and the All Maker sent the Greedy Man and Aevar; like Anuiel and Sithis sent Auriel and Lorkhan.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:01 pm

Heh, it took a lot of sit-down-and-explain in order to educate me that Shor wasn't the All-Maker. The Skaal's belief is kinda merish, except without the whole "why back in my day" part.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:13 am

I think they're a Reachman tribe, actually. The Skaal were lead to Solstheim by a Vehk-yogi.

It's no coincedence the Dunmer were lead to a people, who revere Nirn as the soul of a larger being.

Those who do not fail become the New Men: an individual beyond all AE, unerased and all-being. Jumping beyond the last bridge of all existence is the Last Existence, The Eternal I.

Maybe I'm way wrong.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:03 am

I think they're a Reachman tribe, actually. The Skaal were lead to Solstheim by a Vehk-yogi.

It's no coincedence the Dunmer were lead to a people, who revere Nirn as the soul of a larger being.

Those who do not fail become the New Men: an individual beyond all AE, unerased and all-being. Jumping beyond the last bridge of all existence is the Last Existence, The Eternal I.

Maybe I'm way wrong.


You and Helmouth have a strange take on things - not saying you are wrong though. Reason I see it that way is that I had figured the Skaal for Nords and although they are apparently a different race from Imperial 'men' they are men nevertheless. Also it is the Imperials who had the merge with the Mer via the Bretons (very Tolkien that) with no Lore to suggest that the Nords had done the same. In-game the Nords appear to be contemptuous of mer as often as not = 'seen any elves?'

Most of what I read suggested to me that the Nords fought beside Lorkhan against the mer and their gods (with my assumption that Shor/Loprkhan are the same being) so I'm wondering if I missed something here. :unsure: It could be that there is a whole chunk of Lore that has yet to come out.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:53 pm

The Aldudagga is sung by bretonordics, which are the Witch-kings of the West Reach. Because typical Nords have a pantheon of eight gods, the Skaal are unusual, in that they are animistic. Animism implies they believe all creation is the soul of one god. The Aldudagga also read like a document, which is suposed to reconcile the typical pantheon with the Skaal. Basically, the evolution of the Skaal beliefs, from World Eating 101, to Aevar Stone-singer.

My opinion about the Skaal aiding the Dunmer is this: Vivec did it. Maybe he wanted the Skaal to marry their animistic worship of Nirn, with his own teachings, so the Dunmer would love him again.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:34 pm

The Aldudagga is sung by bretonordics, which are the Witch-kings of the West Reach. Because typical Nords have a pantheon of eight gods, the Skaal are unusual, in that they are animistic. Animism implies they believe all creation is the soul of one god. The Aldudagga also read like a document, which is suposed to reconcile the typical pantheon with the Skaal. Basically, the evolution of the Skaal beliefs, from World Eating 101, to Aevar Stone-singer.

My opinion about the Skaal aiding the Dunmer is this: Vivec did it. Maybe he wanted the Skaal to marry their animistic worship of Nirn, with his own teachings, so the Dunmer would love him again.


:goodjob: That adds something. So are the Skaal to be found in Skyrim itself or only to be found on that one island?
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:32 am

:goodjob: That adds something. So are the Skaal to be found in Skyrim itself or only to be found on that one island?

On that island
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