Bringing back the Enclave or the BoS in numbers would be just plain laziness.

No it wouldnt...Enclave there still out there dont just assume there all dead when you dont know. BOS there not like the enclave, BOS are Dying but there not dead so it would make sense to have them again. They have been in every fallout and its a nice feeling having them there.

Recycling the same two factions like Fallout was a Mario game is lazy. And the Enclave is dead.

Really show me some hard core proof to back this comment up.

Oil Rig, blown up.
Navarro, overrun.
Raven Rock, blown up.
Crawler, most likely blown up.
Satellite Station, overrun.
Enclave outposts in CW, overrun.

They not dead yet? :unsure2:

As a major faction, as a threat to the world, they are dead. There maybe some left in Chicago. Still they are just remnants now. Their only options. Crawl into a hole and die. Give up and form new lives for themselves. Or my dream, join the Midwestern BoS under Barnaky.

I don't know I think it would be weird if there was no BOS or super mutants. Although I think its time for some new factions.


The Enclave have the power of a bad guy in a bad action movie, they keep on coming back and have to die 50 times to be defeated.

If were in or near the west again I want to see NCR.
Caesars Legion(even though I do not support them) had much more potential.
Keep the Enclave away unless we head into the Midwest
Same with the Brotherhood.

I asked for HARD CORE PROOF. This isnt hardcoe proof this is what happened in previous games. Has Bethesda confirmed that there dead? NOO. Have we seen F4 yet? NO. You have no clue if they are all dead. So stop making assumptions on something you dont have enough information on. Sure they got defeated in those places but thats just some locations.

The only faction that i could not stand seeing again is the Enclave, they used to be interesting now they're just annoying.

I would love to see new faction with high tech armory (!!power armor!!).
Becouse it seems many people on the forums want the guys with power armor to disappear(who would want that??). :confused:

It's pretty obvious that they're dead or at least dying out and won't be in FO5.
Still, no confirmation has been made, sure, but Enclave has been torn apart on all major locations, if they're back then they will be in a decline and by the next game they should be dying out completely.

Do you have any HARD CORE PROOF that theyre not dead? All the available evidence points towards them being out of the picture. You have no clue if there are even any left alive, so stop making assumptions on something you dont have enough information on.

Dont forget that the defeat at the Oil Rig was SUPPOSED to be the killing blow, then the Raven Rock and Project Purity defeat was SUPPOSED to be the killing blow, then the AAFB defeat was SUPPOSED to be the killing blow. I am so pissed off at Bethesda for continually retconning our triumphs over the Enclave, just so we can have power armored mooks to shoot, damn.

Until there is a Confirmation they are not dead. So there is a wide array of things that could happen so dont just go around stamping dead on them when you dont know and im not saying there in mass numbers im just saying you dont know if there all dead or alive so until theres proof there dead dont go around calling them a dead faction.

They should be a dead faction imo.

Yes thats your opinion and i have nothing wrong with it. Its a problem when people go around calling them a dead horse and shouldn't come back and THERE ALL DEAD. When they have no clue at all. There are more games left to make and they have yet to be confirmed that there all dead.

Yeah people shouldn't say things like that when none of us know whether or not the Enclave is dead. They're shattered for sure but we don't know if they're dead.

Nah Republic of Dave is no joke.

It is hardcoe proof to anyone that gives a crap about Fallout Canon and lore. They are dead as a powerful faction. They should never come back as anything but Remnants. Or as apart of the MWBoS :shifty:

Three Fallout Games give evidence that they are nothing more then Remnants. There are no more locations other then Chicago.

Sure Bethesda can bring them back as a punching bag for us to once again destroy. As another member said "They have the power of a bad movie villain we have to destroy 50 times before they are dead." My god do you really want them to be the "Bad Guys" in ever Fallout game were we once again have to stop their plan which is always the same plan? Really you want that? Every Fallout to be BoS vs Enclave? Enclave are dead people! svck it up and move on. Lets have something new, for the love of GOD lets have something NEW!!!!

And people say we dinosaurs are the ones stuck in the damn past :rolleyes:

Think logicallcally for a moment.

How many can there concevably be left?

The mass of their organisation, including all non military assets died in Fo2.
In FO3 they lost no less than 2 command structures

For those few who surivived, you're going to have to be a hard core believer not to desert such a loser organisation and just try and get on with your life.

Bringing them back just wouldn't make a gram of sense.

Well the Enclave could be around Georgia and Florida
Personally I want Beth/Obsidian to create Chinese military remnants who still believe in fighting the Great War kinda like these Japanese WWII soldiers stationed on an island who surrendered in 1971

No more than a handful... The entire Enclave population exists of those in the Navarro outpost and a few out on missions, less those that deserted and those that died in FO3.

Yes they should do this, And I hope they do.

Why would there be chinese miltary remnants be around Georgia and Florida or anywhere else in America? The Chinese in Fallout 3 were spies and they were all crazy ghouls. It was also stupid to have so many of them. America had driven China out of America by the time of the Great War.