Well in my case, I suffer from Cubital Tunnel Syndrome which rules out PC Gaming as an option for me for any lengths of time.

I find it much easier and comfier sprawled out with arms straight using my controller. I don`t want to muck about with connecting PC`s and controllers to the big screen TV either.

Consoles are great for switching on and no farting about, just chilling.

Vanilla Oblivion was pretty boring on Xbox but I think Skyrim will be a major improvement for the console and hopefully will mean we won`t miss mods too much, if it`s done right.

And over and above the cosmetic/gameplay mods there are the Unofficial Patches, that fix things the devs forget/don't bother with in the patches. (The big one that comes to mind in Oblivion is being tossed out of the FG for defending yourself against a certain stupid wood-elf who gets pissed because you killed his dealer.)

have ya got a few examples of $600 PCs that will max out gmaes?

If the PC is strong enough definitely go for it.

Usually cheaper game prices + Mods + Better graphics = Epic win.
(+ better control, I can't aim for poo with a console controller, but maybe that's just me)

A GTX 460 is about $120, match that with a decent processor (I have a Phenom II X2 555, $90 on newegg), 4GB of RAM shouldn't run you up much, and then some on a case, PSU, and motherboard.

Maybe $600 is a bit high, even. Things are cheaper over there in the US. In any case, the 460 should max out almost everything at 1920x1200.

You'll be fine with either platform. If you have a good PC, I'd say go with that for added flexibility.

i was more looking for something off the shelf (i.e. HP, Dell, sony, gateway, alienware, toshiba, etc.) as i dont have the ability to parts out a xbox. a lot of knowledge is also needed to part out a computer.

to be a little more clear, i can buy an xbox and bring it home and plug it in and play games. i think to keep it an even playing field i need to be able to buy an off the shelf pc to be able to bring it home and plug it in and play a game.

You don't need *any* technical knowledge to build a PC, and you don't need more than an hour or two's research will give you to choose your parts. Everything is standardised, if it fits into the socket it'll work - you make sure the sockets match, and you have all the required pieces, and you've got yourself a working PC. I would really not recommend purchasing a prebuilt gaming PC, as they are universally overpriced and it is very easy to build it yourself, as well as being far more satisfying!

Indeed, if you go and post in Community Discussion, there are many members more knowledgeable than I who would be happy to give you a list of parts for almost any price point you choose - and as I say, the actual construction of the PC requires pretty much no prior knowledge. Everything comes with its own instruction manual (With pictures!), but even then, it's square peg square hole.

edit: Well, it's not an even playing field - life isn't carefully balanced, and we don't receive any bug patches! The major advantage of PC gaming is freedom, being able to build your own PC is playing to that advantage. You can't ever build your own xbox.

I have been thiking about getting a 360 lately because i want to play games that aren't available on the PC. But, if i did have a 360, i would still get Skyrim for the PC. The game looks better, runs more smoothly, and of course, mods. There are a ton of threads about what people want in the game, and what they want taken out of the game. You know what? That's all taken care of with mods. Also, mods extend the life of the game. I still play Morrowind becaiuse of the great quest and story mods. Same goes with Oblivion.

I second that. SSD's are fantastic for games with lots of little files, like oblivion and will be skyrim.
The price is SO worth it to have lightning quick load times on your main games and if you put windows on one (which I do) it makes windows much quicker too.

PC.

If you want a god awful community and give away about 60 dollars a year, go with the 360...

If you want a bad community (which is a lot better than 360's), that you don't have to pay anything on, then play PS3...

If you have enough money to buy a gaming computer, you know how to use a mouse and Keyboard, and you want a great community, go for the PC....


If I were you, I would go with PC or PS3....

Get on Xbox play it on superwide screen on the sofa .....

then sell and get the pc version to enjoy all the mods that willcome out and won't be available at the inmediate launch ... personally I probably will take both of them ^^ .....

I'm going to say PC but I'm not sure if a 5830 will be good enough to max everything so I'll have to see the specs before I get it.

Well, it really depends on your PC, we don't have the min or recommended specs.

If Modding is something you really like, if you meet the Minimum, you are likely better off with the PC version, even though it will probably look better and play smoother on the Xbox360 (Or PS3)

If Modding isn't particularly important, and you have a PC that meets or exceeds the Recommended, then PC will give with few, if any exceptions, a universally better experience, otherwise, you're really sacrificing a lot for an inferior version of the game for your situation.

for less load lag you could always install it to your Xbox hard drive to fix this.
ill play it on the Xbox because i wont have a good enough pc until next years summer (yay Alienware)
but if you have a good enough PC go with it because the Ability to get Mods and will always have better graphics , (plus if you don't like the PC controls you could always plug i a Xbox controller into it and play that way

Edit: i will be getting Both, Xbox when it comes out, PC when i get my Power PC

cooling system is a little more, you need a keyboard, mouse, monitor, electric cords,and also an AC/DC converter AC current which is used in U.S will fry every thing in your computer, so i can see around $600 to $750 depending on what you spend. i took a class in my high school to learn how to build computers, really its not all that hard. o plus you need OS software,( you could go with Linux but it not compatible with most games.) , and that it self will costs you $150 if not more
EDIT: Br0sk1 if the video card is a 1GB it will run everything and anything. you should be fine
im thinking this game will need about 500MB video card and 2.5 to 4 GB of RAM

Any decent case these days comes with fans, and processors are available in "boxed" variants with an included heatsink and fan. You certainly need to buy peripherals if you don't already have some from an earlier computer, though. Surely the AC/DC thing is handled by the PSU?

I've been wondering for a while, how much more do you guys think skyrim will drain out of my computer compared to oblivion? They are both made during the same console generation and my computer ran Oblivion way better than my xbox, so is it likely that skyrim will run better on my current computer aswell? It's a decently new pc with a nvidia gtx 450 graphics card.

don't be a noob. PC > consoles!
if you want console for the "community" it doesn't matter for a SP game.
it makes sense for a game that is modable for you to especially get it for PC.
WWJD (what would Jesus do?), he'd go for PC!!! DD

possibly PSU is what i ment by converter,not good with computer lingo. yes it converts it to DC..plan on getting a larger tower to leave space and keeps the parts cooler with the standard fans (crowding can lead to overheating)
EDIT: most websites have starter kits then you add more things

Three reasons why TES should be played on PC:

http://nehrim.de/indexEV.html
http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/convergence/
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10819

[img]http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/10819-4-1280054236.jpg[/img]

Bad decision. Reason? Mods

PC for the mods alone IMO.

You can still lounge on the sofa and play on the TV - my PC is permanently hooked up to my TV with an HDMI cable and I can switch between monitor and TV at any time, or (what I do most of the time) is have my internet browser on my monitor and a game on the TV screen at the same time - you can just use the TV as part of a multi-monitor set up/extended or duplicated desktop if you're so inclined.

If I need a keyboard, mouse, monitor, and surge protector, then you need controllers and a TV. Except we all already have those things, they don't count.
A "Cooling system" will come with whatever components you buy - you may need to buy your own case fans, but that's cheap, and the stock cooling will be absolutely fine for stock clocks.
A quick lookup, assuming you don't already have a windows license, you can get a copy of Win7 Home Premium for about $60.

If you want to make an omelette from scratch, you must first create the universe, and all that. You can go as deep as you want, but as far as I'm concerned, a computer is the case, and the things inside, and all of the peripherals connect through standardised interfaces for a very good reason.