It takes thing some people want and allows then to make the best game for them. Modding in no way makes a superior game, only a game that is more for the person who got the mods.

Edit: Also people who think games are broken until they nod their preferences in, are idiots.

YEAH!! I loved the DEIMOS mod... Well done. I will look forward to your first release

He's just provoking you, and you bite right into it...

You know, even on PC, you aren't FORCED to mod. And there are mods and mods. It can be only a very small thing that annoy you in the game design or mechanics, or it can just be a way to unlock the full use of your PC graphic potential, or it can be added content, quests and so on, when you have nothing else to do but still want to roam tamriel and get challenges...

Basically, with mods, you choose what you want more (or less, because you can use mods to take out of the game some things you don't like, too) from the vanilla experience.

It is GOOD that most don't NEED it, because otherwise it would mean the game is broken from start. But since you can do what you want with mods, it means complete freedom to do much, or nothing, or very little...

I was very happy to enhance the stealth mechanics and fix the psychic guards in oblivion. That's a small fix. Then later on, I was happy to have alternate entries to cities for unfamous chars to be able to avoid the gate guards, as well as roof entrances to houses for thieves chars and so on....

Once again, I don't blame the people who don't use mods (I don't use mods on all games at all), but complaining about more freedom and tweaking possibilities (that are OPTIONAL, too), that I don't understand at all.

Maybe some PC players / mod users behave like elitists, but you see also console users who behave like they only hold the truth. I saw someone write that he doesn't want to be an "elitist" so he doesn't want mods. This person has missed the point completely. It's not being elitist to enjoy more freedom. But refusing himself to even try it, based on some fantasized dogma, is close to religious self-persuading and in that way, not less elitist.

1) Free DLC
2) Key chain
3) Auto-sort chests

As a pc gamer myself, I'd like to request you keep your elitists opinions to yourself, as a modder myself I'd be happy to share my creations with consoles users if and when it becomes possible.

This. Exactly.

I mean really people, if someone doesn't like modding, stop trying to convert them like some weird prophet and stop getting so mad/annoyed.
It's a damn game, stop taking it so seriously.

Edit: JUST for clarity, this post obviously does not apply to everyone.

:rofl:

Hmm. I feel like I only see comments that strenuously "pro-mod" in threads that aren't just "questioning" modding... but also coming at it from the same seemingly-religious standpoint, "how dare you advlterate this Pristine Vision From The Most Holy Developers! Why would you do such a thing, rather than playing it As The Developers Intended??"

:shrug:

It's depressing that this is the kind of attitude I've come to expect from many PC gamers* on this forum. :shakehead:


*= not all obviously

How does enjoying the opportunity to customize your experience make you an elitist? I tend to play mod-lite, especially on my first playthrough, but I assume that if Bethesda didn't intend their games to be played with mods they wouldn't issue construction sets. And if I find Morrowind to be more fun with pigs wallowing in Seyda Neen, what virtue is there in playing without? I think sometime modders go overboard with their claims of "fixing" and "improving" when most of the time what they've done is more accurately described as catering to a specific taste, but again, why not cater?

Most the time, it is as simple as that. But when I first started installing mods, I started small, I think the first mod I added was Ren's Beauty Pack for Oblivion, and I read about how to go about installing mods before I did anything, just to make sure I had it right. After I did it the first time, it was easy for other mods.

I 2nd this (>'.')>

Bethesda developers realize they have a finite amount of time to finish the game, and recognize the fans have a passion for an open sandbox world.

They GAVE us the ability to mod the game. It's a sanctioned, and encouraged, activity.

If you don't want to use them, don't. If you have honest questions and are curious, ask away.

But don't bait people, and don't get upset when they defend themselves when your questions or comments are worded to be inflammatory.

Fix'd

Guys. Come on, lets keep this clean and nice, lest it gets locked.

I agree, if you don't want to mod, you don't have to. I recommend it to everyone, as it's pretty much free content.

mods let you play a game with a totally different feel. Moderators just get into you for whatever reasons to end speech.

Basically it's the meaning for PC gaming, you can create anything, and you can control everyone you want to.

Instead of rock solid 'this is how it's got to be', you can have a good time with it =D

I'm not so sure he accurately represents the majority of PC users... I think he may be starved for attention or something. While some people don't understand why you wouldn't want mods, not everyone wants consoles to be deprived of mods. Also, when a topic opens about mods on consoles, PC users usually make rather quick remarks like "no", cause the thread has appeared so many times... but anyway... perhaps I'm speaking for myself, but I really wouldn't mind mods being on consoles... Games like Little Big Planet are quite successful because of it, they might not be otherwise.

According to Pete, I believe, mods are compatible with consoles. It's up to Xbox and PS to allow them... I think they believe it'll open a large can of worms. People complaining over crashes or freezing, which can probably lead to broken consoles.

I agree with this entirely. I would honestly love to have console players able to play my mods. That just triples my audience. (moreso)

No, they'll be very high-poly and extremely detailed, leaving little to imagination :hubbahubba:

The fact that I can play a game from 2006 in 2011, and it looks as good as most games that were released in 2010. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=30054.

The fact that I don't have to be stuck with a user interface that Bethesda deemed "good enough" for my PC running at 1920x1200 resolution. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10763.

The fact that I can have a game that's not limited to console hardware by http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16360, and http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16513.

The fact that I can change the God-awful http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15256, and the ridiculous meta-gaming that took place while http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1888.

The fact that you can fix http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296 of bugs and errors left behind by the developers.

I just completed another playthrough of Oblivion again this past month. And without these mods, it would've been painful to play vanilla. So most importantly, it will add years of life to Skyrim for many, many playthroughs.

Yeah I had that one too. Problem is that sometimes mods clash, and unless you've used a mod manager, you're pretty much screwed unless you remember exactly which files to delete. Same if you installed a mod you don't like and want to remove, or if it makes your game crash. All of those things happened to me, and first time around I didn't use a mod manager, so I ended up having to re-install the game and all the mods, this time using OBMM for easy removal.

I'm mainly a console player, esp. for last 2 TES games. My PC was using an old 64 mb NVIDIA card. I just tried out a 256mb ATI card. Can't remember the vid card details so don't ask because I'm not that great when it comes to PC hardware. Anyway, my point is, I didn't see the big deal with mods...until I just got the "better" low-end card in. It got OB playing pretty nicely with all video settings on max except Anti Aliasing which is a hog, so I turned it off. I'm planning on getting an even better used vid card soon, but wanted to try mods.

They...are...awesome!

In a game that was already all about the details, I've added so much more of it. And I just fiddled with a few of them. Once I get the new card, I'll be starting from scratch and following Arwens mods list - http://arwenevecom.ipage.com/Oblivion/OB-mods.htm

I won't get into detail. Go to Arwen's page and she has a detailed description of many OB mods. Suffice it to say, mods have given me a new and better optimized OB to play. I haven't even tried Full Conversions like Nehrim yet.

I'll be honest, they are difficult to install at first, but after a couple and using the mod manager, you get the hand of it pretty quick.

If you can swing it with a PC, give it a try. I'm a converted believer in the power of PC and mods.

I will still be playing Skyrim on my 360 first though!

That was great xD

This thread makes me really mad that I dont have good pc. Since I have to play Skyrim on my 360 I cant have all these cool mods, that svcks. I need to stop living in the stone age and get a gaming pc. :banghead:

Actually unlike this forum the mod forums are a warm and cosy place. During the first few weeks or even months there will be some idiots and trolls, but after a while they vanish. The Oblivion mods forum is one of the best forums I've found on the internet. And it has been that way since mid 2006. If you can even cope with the Skyrim forum, which is full to the brim with fan boys and flamers, then I think you will appreciate the people on the mod forums. Intelligent, well-behaved and helpful people all around.

I haven't seen a console vs PC thread there for...I don't know...never?