I know these answers and i wanted to know which ones are right or the real answer on where they went.

I went through 300+ books, *Oblivion and Morrowind*, and talked to countless people in morrowind about them, and came up with these: *Translated book of Hanging Gardans in Oblivion is very recourcefull, morrowinds copy is un-readable*

1. They were betrayed by dagoth ur.

2. Vivec killed them.

3. They tried to use Kangrances Tools, *Keening, Sunder, Wraith-Guard* to make themselves immortal but failed and all were wiped out.

4. Neravine killed them.

5. Corpus Disease.

6. Trying to go through to different worlds they were conceald through time and hidden behind math and magic. (Some dude in gnisis)

7. Blight Disease.

8. War against tribunal and dagoth ur resulted in death.


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All of the above are what i have discovered, but no one really knows in-game and im figuring i passed it up somewhere.



(Currently 7 dwemner study sites throughout morrowind) 1 1/2 hours spent in kangrances library.

THANKS TO THE IMPERIAL LIBRAY AND NALION FOR THE INFO.

These versions say that the end of the Battle, Nerevar, Dagoth Ur, Kagrenac, and others are in the Heart Chamber. Dumac may have been there and killed, or disabled. In one version Kagrenac, seeing that he is in trouble, takes the tools and walks over to the Heart. The others see him attempt to use the tools on the Heart, and at that moment all of the Dwemer on Tamriel vanish without a trace. His use of the tools was probably supposed to elevate his race to something like Godhood. In other versions, Kagrenac is killed by Dagoth Ur, and Azura shows Nerevar how to use the tools to sever the Dwemer's link with the Heart. "And on the fields, the Tribunal and their armies watched as the Dwemer turned into dust all around them as their stolen immortality was taken away." The question is whether or not the tools were actually used, and whether or not they actually worked.

I am sure the Lore Forum can give you an answer, well thoughts on it.

actualy, thanks for the move i really was unsure of where to put this.

None of these are correct.


For a pointer, try going over what http://www.imperial-library.info/interviews/skelm.shtml said.

1) sort of - Voryn Dagoth (soon to be Dagoth Ur) was well introduced among the dwemers and was the one to spill the bean to Nerevar about the fact that Kagrenac was tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan and preparing somethin big. (allegedly creating a new, dwemer-only, god.)

2) no. When they vanished, Vivec was still Vehk, mortal advisor to Nerevar

3) Seems to be what happened, though what exactly Kagrenac was trying to achieve isn't understood for sure.

4) sort of - it's unclear wether Kagrenac achieved what he wanted, fumbled on himself, or fumbled because of Nerevar's intervention. Most likely fumbled because he was either attacked directly or forced to rush his rituals. - correction : positively no - the Nerevarine only appears way after the event (as in 'several millenia after), it was Nerevar who was around when it happened.

5) no - corprus is a creation of Dagoth Ur, many, man years after the dwemers vanished

6) possible - it might be what happened, it might have been what they planned, but there's no conclusive proof

7) no - same as 5, blight is a later creation of Dagoth Ur

8) no - when the dwemer vanished Dagoth Ur was still Voryn Dagoth, mortal head of House Dagoth and advisor to Nerevar. And the Tribunal was still the mortals Vehl, Almalexia and Sotha Sil, advisors to Nerevar (and wife for Almalexia). Their conflict is from a later date.

0. The forum did the debate on what happened with the Dwemer and the conclusion has been written down in http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/luagararticle1.shtml. It has the best summation of all hints and knowledge about the Dwemers disappearance, making its conclusion fairly conclusive.

1. Suggestion #1 is part of the events that lead up to the Battle of Red Mountain, it doesn't relate to their destruction. I take it you've read this in the Songs of King Wulf Heart?



2. Suggestion #2 seems to have come from the Sermons, where the Tribunal took the essence from the Anumidium and with it souls of the Dwemer and thus the Dwemer. There is a truth in here but not so obvious as this.

3. To say they merely wanted to become immortal would cut it rather short. Like all Mer they have seen Auri-El ascended into heaven at the Adamantine tower and almost all tribes of Aldmer strife to re-reach the divine in a equivalent fashion. Now from what is know about the Dwemer, they weren't just gunning for Aetherius they wanted to transcended the whole Aurbis, transcend the universe, something which they considered to be a figment of imagination.

4. Manu, the Master Thief asked about the Nerevarine, not Indoril Nerevar.

The Dwemer were long gone by the time the Nerevarine came to Morrowind and the Brass God had been sold to the Empire and disappeared in the Warp of the West.

fascinating that report

I wonder if they managed to escape, were ejected or deleted themselves - whichever it appears they have gone beyond known reach - unless 'dev-power' can locate them :blink:

Why can't they be invisible pixies that everyone believes in because they are in the books? If magic can make reality break 12 different ways, why can't I have invisible pixie dweemers? I'm not trying to get anyone's goat here (already have one, great milk for baking), but I do wonder why everything summarizes in such finality. Lore changes like dragon breaks.

Quote me on that or forget me entirely.

Also I want some pie.

the odd thing that I still don't get about the disappearance of the Dwemer...is that (I don't remeber which book says so....) when they "disappeared" it wasn't only the ones inhabiting red mountain...but also the ones in Volenfell....thus if it's a race thing, why hasn't Yagrum Bagrain departed as well?


I've always thought (privately, it's just the way I like to think of it) that what the dwemer were experimenting with the heart of Lorkan is anologous (anolOGOUS, not similar) to trying to achieve a state of lichdom.....just as the lich-to-be binds himself to an object, I believe the Dwemer binded themselves to the Heart, but I believe that sharing in existance with something that is so decidedly NOT an element of mundus but still clinging to a mundane body makes you neither here nor there....that is why once the power of the heart is nullified they end up neither here nor there......makes sense to anyone?

Yagrum was in the Outer Realms, outside the sphere of influence of what happened...

Makes sense to me Planck.....

I always took it that what happened to the dwemer was similar to what happened the tralfamadorians (spelling?) in Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s Slaughterhouse Five.

Well when they binded themselves to the heart, and had caused them to be neither "here nor there", wouldn't destroying the heart bring them "Back" but "Dead"?

Well, no...precisely because their link to the heart has been cut...which was what caused them to disappear...once the link is no longer there any action to the heat doesn't affect them and vice versa....

I though the sneaky cat-folk moon-children figured this one out already...

Khajiit do indeed see more than they tell and mourn the dulled senses that other races must make do with

Isn't it possible that a 2nd dwemer could have been out of the sphere of influence like ol 'Yaggy?

They died of a disease contracted from an unsanitized telephone.

It is possible, but very unlikely.
It doesn't really matter, though, as he would have died long ago.
Yargrum only survived because of Corprus.

That doesn't say anything about couples or "tribes" that may have survived (breeding and the like) for a long time afterward. But I'm not sure if it's as necessary to look at this more than what it means to be outside of existence. That doesn't mean they couldn't find a way back if it meant they still had some kind of power relating to the heart that was beyond our traditional realizations.

All very inconsequential as of now, but it could be something very interesting if a dead god can wake up given the right circumstances.

(http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=773263&st=40&p=11224319&#)

What happened to the dwemer, you ask? No one can answer that, not even Yagrum. However, we can postulate and theorize to our hearts content. I will not give you my definitive belief (for you must find that elsewhere), but I will throw out a few links and quotes for you to give a good think.

AND KEEP YOUR FEET OFF OF MY TOWER!
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When you ask what the dwemer held dear, compare this http://www.imperial-library.info/dwemer/dwemer-image.jpg to desription of the Prophet of the Landfall:

"He has come down from the mountains, the chitin of his belly segments freshly painted in Faith. The suns shine overhead, each uttering his name in their way. The barrens before him distort in the blur of their heat as he climbs the last hill, but his vision is clear. It always has been. His fifth and second arms encircle his staff as his mandibles click out a small prayer. Beyond the barrens lay the Crescent of the Eighty and One Thrones, and all the villages that hang from it like a jeweled belt. They do not know it yet, those millions that work, rule, and commit their countless sins out there in the cradle of all written history, but he will save them. In ones and twos, then in droves, and then their own priests and their own kings will throw down their false idols and take up the New Faith. He would permit himself some pride if that emotion occurred to him; instead, he tests his locust wings on the wind, permitting himself to glide into the first steps of Salvation."

Maybe you should remember that line from http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml that goes like this: "You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. ...the Prolix Tower...CHIM. ... The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man. ... mortals may only understand the joy of Liberty by becoming the progenitors of the models that can make the jump past mortal death." You know, just in case you were to ever wonder why http://www.imperial-library.info/dwemer/dwemer-yagrum.jpg. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I know: it's 'cuz he had corprus, right? Yeah, that disease that came straight from the Heart of Lorkhan? How convenient. Good thing that they made http://www.imperial-library.info/dwemer/dwemer-banner5.jpg that looks like Yagrum's high-tech wheelchair. On the other hand, that wheelchair does look an awful lot like http://www.imperial-library.info/dwemer/dwemer-thing3.jpg.

Maybe http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/7/7f/Sil8.jpg for a very, very good reason.

Also, remember that the dwemer, like the Prophet above, always had a problem with emotions, and if "God is Love" according to the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml, then the dwemer knew nothing about God. As a matter of fact, Vivec had to become a god to confuse the dwemer who held him captive while still an egg-universe.

"To confound his captors, he channeled his essence into love, an emotion the Dwemer knew nothing about." http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#3

It has been argued that, upon looking at the 36 Lessons as a retcon where the past is altered by the future, the dwemer are shown to have achieved a state similar to CHIM, where CHIM is the power symbol of royalty. "The Dwemer were vexed at these words and tried to hide behind their power symbols." The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: Sermon Three

Additionally, the Velothi had, according to Vivec's Third Lesson, the man-god Vivec. That Lesson reveals that the dwemer coveted that status, aspiring to reach it. "A Dwemer said, 'We Dwemer are only aspirants to this that the Velothi have. They shall be our doom in this and the eight known worlds.' The secret to doom is within this Sermon." http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#3

And Vivec learned CHIM and [censored] from Molag Bal, the King of [censored] and revealer of CHIM. http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#12

Azura learned this to her dismay and detriment to dignity in The Trial of Vivec:



Now before we go a'dancin' on Towers, let's try to remember that Dagoth Ur stated "http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#15". Maybe the Sharmat's followers would help in Tower Dancing when http://www.imperial-library.info/gallery/mw_TAoM_p42.jpg and were known as "http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#31".

I guess, my friends, what I would say is this: "reach Heaven by violence".

I hope this message finds you well, for I remain...

Yours in the Scrolls,

___The Word Merchant of Julianos

What is a "Sharmat"?

Enemy, Nemesis, Opponent, the Bad Guy or simply the Other.

He's also your friend.

I dont think he drinks tea though hyamentar..


Seriously, more specifically, the sharmat is the personification of an archetype. In this case, it is the archetype of the repressed urge, the boogeyman, the force which tempts but must be overcome.

It is the part of you that invites you to steal candy from the supermarket checkout as a child, and the part of you that thinks you could be a good and fair ruler, rather than a tyrant.

...so it's your Doppleganger?