They also PAY for a lot of it, and in many cases are basically the developer's boss while they work on it, especially the case when they also own the company developing. Publishers are the ones who say "you're over budget, release it now" and result in rushed games. They will tell developers things to add or remove in order to increase the game's marketability. The quality of a meal depends heavily on the skill of the chef who makes it, but you can't shift away all blame from the restaurant owner unwilling to pay for anything better than expired bologna and cheese whizz.

"I am so happy when the Duke will release. Simple Gameplay Shooter without [censored] Ranking / Leveling asf. "
I expect it to be fairly bug free, but logically you do not know if it will have major game-breaking bugs or not.

"and for those hating on the beth soft hate, you obviously didnt buy both New Vegas and Brink on launch day, like me"
I got F:NV on release on 360, and had no game-breaking bugs apart from the glitch with Veronica!

Bethesda Softworks does the Q&A and testing, or at least that was what some people said in the New Vegas

You seem to think that Bethesda is purposely releasing buggy games.

Most people don't realize how bloody difficult (and thankless) QA work is. Its really hard work, not just sitting around and playing games (you think its frustrating to find a bug? Try spending 10 hours reproducing the bug and writing a report about it). Games nowdays are huge, and making them bug-free is impossible. Every single computer/console configuration, hardware, software, age, random factory errors, can affect how a game functions. Each build of the game changes things and can inadvertently introduce errors. Some errors are not caught, others may not be fixable at all. The QA team of most companies is not all that big, and even 100 people cannot compare to the thousands that buy the game. Then there are deadlines and funding to consider.

Yes, buggy games svck, but the publishers and developers aren't just swimming in their money pools and releasing games willy-nilly.

You need some brushing up on development and publishing. QA testers and leads (development) report to both QA managers and producers. Producers work for the publisher and oversee development of the game, which mean funding is done by the publishing side and by far most of the time overseen by the publisher. I've worked for both development and publishing side.

The way I see it, all those crappy third party dev games are just there to give Bethesda more money to make their flagship games. New Vegas had the added bonus of actually being a good game.

Where exactly did I say its never a publishers fault, the OP seemed very hateful and yet not understanding everything.I know publishers can ruins games just look at Dragon Age 2.What I'm saying is that its not completely their fault like the op makes it seem.


Obsidian has been known to have glitchy games and yet I hardly ever have a problem with them.I played FNV on release and since then it might have crashed twice.

I think this whole fear of Bethesda pushing out glitchy games is unfounded and just a fluke, wait for Skyrim.

I couldn't care if Bethesda didn't make the games, but the logos are the same to me so it's almost the same company.

Then again you have Sony. Sony makes, TVs, DVDs, Blu rays, etc etc, they also make the PS3, and they also make games. When anyone of them makes a bad product, it's the name, Sony that gets crapped on.

Stop giving Bethesad, or Zeni Max a break. In the end they ARE THE SAME COMPANY. We all go to the same forums, to talk about it no matter WHO makes it. So the Forums is from the PUBLISHER you can say so we can say that BETHESDA the PUBLISHER has been pretty crappy lately. I give them praise I will crap on them as well.

What can we say, they have been svcking lately. Might as well replace the name with Bethesda Publishing with EA, or Atari or Activision, where they have no respect for thier customers or fan base by releasing games early and if we are lucky patching later. Bethesda is just a company that doesn't care and or respect thier fan base by releasing games early and making 2 or maybe 3 patches after and then give up on the game.

Bethesda is in the same leauge of EA, Atari, Activision and anyone else now. For so long they have lived off the TES name wich made them better than everyone else, but now they publish thier own games, you can see Bethesda the Publisher is not any better than any of the other companies.

For me, they are just like any other crappy company so I will not buy any of thier games until they change. I only play 2 games left, TES games and Fallout 3 and NV. I will get fallout 4, and Skyrim when they come out, but I will not be buying anything else anymore. Before I would by EA games not anymore. I was going to get DA:O and Mass Effect just for me and not my kids, but because of the EA name on it now, I will not buy it no more.

Looks like Bethesda has come into the same name as EA now. STAY AWAY unless it is TES or Fallout game.

Hopefully they will change, but I doubt it. They just seem like any other greedy game company now. Release games early and patch later. If it wasn't for TES and Fallout I don't think Bethesda would be able to survive in 5 or 10 years.

:facepalm:

I believe that is all this thread deserves.

Why is that? We need to show Bethesda, at least Bethesda Publishing that there are alot of people that are not happy with them. Nothing wrong in that. After all what game is awsome or great they have published? The didn't publish Oblivion, that is a 2K game so Bethesda Publishing can't take any credit for that, not sure about Fallout 3, so besides Fallout 3, what game has Bethesda published that is great or awsome?

Honestly?

I could give a rats ass about the games Bethesda publishes. All they are basically doing is sticking their logo on it, and distributing the game for the developer.

All that I care about relating to Bethesda is the quality of the games that they actually develop, and as far as that goes, I have zero complaints.

Both Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas.

What publishers DO you buy from? Greedy game companies come from the fact that video games are now a mainstream industry, whose goal is to make money.

I don't like it either, but I'm not going to suffer a pointless boycott that will change nothing, and not be able to play 80% of the games coming out.

publishers certainly should exercise more caution while choosing which games they are willing to publish because publishing a bad game can ruin their reputation, but how the industry works right now it is mainly the developers fault so Bethesda Softworks is only mildly to blame



threads belong where they belong, this topic wasn't about brink (where i heard it was moved from) so it was moved to a more appropriate section, just because it receives more attention in the wrong section does not mean it is okay to post it there


that is inappropriate behavior

Heh I remember when FO3 first came out and people were complaining about how buggy and broken it was.

Now all of a sudden F:NV is buggy and broken and Fallout 3 is quality

I personally love Bethesda and its two staple brands ie. Fallout and TES. I'm what some may call a fan boy of this company and yet I too posted a thread about how the publishing side of the brand was lending a very dedicated and reputable name to some subpar games. I was worried for the very reason that this thread exists, people can't tell the difference between the publisher and developer in gaming, I cite this as mostly a cod generation of gamers issue as when the situation with activision and infinity ward went down I explained to many of my cod playing friends which games were made by who. Sure blame bethesdas publishimg brand for releasing buggy games, but remember it has little to do with their flagship franchises or the people who make them.

Oh and just a quick note; when I created a thread about the games on question I actually read and understood what the forumers were telling me and went about the discussion intelligently and not like a troll. Ahem.

I think the whole idea of publisher being different from the developer is a bit evil ;p. Because throughout gaming history, it's usually the publisher that gets blamed for a bad game.

The developers are:

Obsidian: New Vegas.

Splash Damage: Brink.

Accidently put publishers.

Exactly. It's not good for the company though (publisher) to release average games :shrug:

BTW FO NV is a better game than FO3 in nearly every aspect. It's buggy for sure but that's mostly fixed by patches (both official and unofficial)...

why do people keep posting in here acting like their mods or such hardcoe beth soft fan boys. the notion that the bugs in new vegas were made up made me LMFAO. That game froze my xbox like literally 100 times

Yea, you see this from a lot of newer fans that are not use to games that don't get pushed out every year like COD.

Ok...by acting like a mod I'm assuming you mean with respect...which is good so I dont' see the problem And no one was acting like a fan boy...

I never had an issue with FO NV without being mod related. Same for FO3...and besides all games have bugs, FO NV had more than desired when released but like I said bugs are sometimes/most of the time fixed. Really they're just annoying.



:yes: This is very true.

The only series I need concern myself in regards to Bethesda is The Elder Scrolls. It's what both companies have always had their main focus on. Now, that trend took a slight turn with Fallout 3 and, for many folks, New Vegas as well. The low quality games that Bethesda Softworks publishes are just those random, subpar games that every other game publishing company creates to help bring in money. Bethesda is not unique in that regard and focusing on them like they are is just silly. Just deal with how the industry works and appreciate the good games they publish, however rare they may be.

Also, I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond to everyone in such an incredibly rude manner. This is one of the only forums that I can log into with the promise of civilized discussion, so please do not ruin that for me and the rest of us. :thumbsup:

While other players didn't have as many issues. Have you posted in the appropriate Hardware/software issues forum? The devs can only work on patching issues they know about. If all people do is rant, then there isn't much that can be done.

Posting in a civil, polite, and courteous manner isn't limited to mods, or fans of any game. Its kind of in the forum rules you agreed to abide by when you joined.

Softworks doesn't have the best record working with Developers outside of BGS and possibly Obsidian. Brink is a failure, Rogue Warrior was the worst game alltime, Wet was terrible, Hunted sounds like it'll be mediocore, who knows how bad Rage will be, New Vegas is bug filled galore. Yeah their past record doesn't help however I still think that they are a really good Publisher when they had their priorities set.