NV was super bugged, but it doesnt really matter since Beth apparantly didnt care about it or QA, they were worrying about Skyrim. Brink is just some linear FPS, so I dont care about it. As long as Beths next RPG isn't Daggerfall buggy, I'll be good.

I'm just glad the GECK 1.3 is out :clap:











I'm a simple man, with complex needs in a confused world... Hi ya Falchya

I had more problems with Fallout 3 post patch, and virtually none with release day New Vegas. I really don't think the bugs were as endemic to all systems as they were in fallout 3. None of my NV glitches were game breaking, although the SMs being able to shoot me whatever direction they were facing nearly made me throw the controller at the screen. I think it helps that they already had most of the system working from F3.

I really see those minor titles as svcker grabbing con tricks. They're obviously designed to create easy revenue to siphon into long term projects. I thought it was the sort of stuff everybody made sure they avoided.



I prefer to think of half of it's ingame info being wrong as a meta-difficulty level.

NVM I misread your qoute.

dude stop bagging on bethesda game studios, they put out 3 games in 11 years, bethesda softworks which is the publisher as in they dont create the games has like 6 game design studios feeding into it, bethesda game studios has put out morrowind OB and fallout 3 in literally ten or eleven years. they didn't make new vegas obsidian did.. a developer that works for bethesda softworks the publisher. splash damage made brink not bethesda game studios.

bethesda game studios puts more details in their games than in any other developer that i have ever seen. in skyrim every single leaf is cut out as its own object to sway through the wind...do you know how much time that takes...the three games they put out in the last decade won GAME OF THE YEAR.. that is absolutely incredible..most studios get one and they freak out.. basically every game bethesda game studios puts out wins.. that says a lot.. they are my favorite developer because of the quality of games they put out

seriously don't bag on them they are one of the few developers that listens to their fans

Same here sort of.

When FNV came out I could barely play it for more than an hour. Now that it's all patched up, it's more or less working perfectly for me, with a decent amount of fairly large mods too.

And I can't play Fallout 3 at ALL, to this day.

And I don't see the point in people yelling and screaming about Bethesda's games that they've either developed, or published. Most of the time it's just a matter of doing just a little bit of research and fixing the problem yourself, or just waiting for a patch. When you can't play the game at all, like Fallout 3, and Bethesda just ignores your support request, then it's extremely frustrating, but I assume that is pretty rare. I don't think Bethesda have released one bad game after another, people just like jumping on the bash Beth bandwagon.

As others said, the only thing that has happened is that Beth started publishing games by other developers. Never played WET, but I think New Vegas and Brink were better than Rogue Warrior, so if anything I'd say they're improving at this point. Rage has potential, I'm really looking forward to that one - both playing and modding it.




Um, hi? :wave:

Now I'm confused.

I think every company should be careful not to allow their logo to be stuck onto a turd.

Ah yes, and Bethesda, as publishers, can't say "we won't publish this buggy piece of crap". svcks to be them.

Is it anything to do with having a multiple core processor? This might help, if you haven't tried it:

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1173633-fallout-3-and-freezing-with-modern-cpus/

EDIT: Oh, having seen your thread, it seems to be steam based. Well, that's outside my knowledge.



He just wants you to fulfil his complex needs.

For the record, i was contributing to bug lists on new vegas since launch. Point is, i shouldnt have to beta test games

What big, open world games don't have bugs?

New Vegas is in the same situation at Fallout 3 back in 2008, Fallout 3 wasnt the fine piece of diamond at first release, but of course, now that NV is released, everyone forgot that and now pretend that Fallout 3 was gold meanwhile everyone the to put crap over NV

QFT. Also, it's rather funny that all of these "oh my god horrible bugs" are being pointed out when the TES series has always had extremely buggy games on release. Hell, even a fully patched Morrowind needs quite a bit of unofficial patching before it can call itself a fully stable game. And even then, the occasional bug still comes up. Oblivion has an absolutely massive unofficial patch as well.

So really, Bethesda's always been one to release buggy games. It's standard for 'em. True, they could put forth more effort in the troubleshooting department, but they generally make really big games where hundreds if not thousands of bugs could show up, so they'd rather release the games and get the feedback from players. Thing is, by the time they're ready to patch it all up, the modding community's already done it.

Most games that Bethesda published are of mediocre quality, and that's always been the case since they started publishing games over a decade ago. It's kinda interesting, though, cause each time they publish a game there will be complaints about them dropping their publishing quality and making "What is happened to Betheda?" threads. No, they didn't get worse, they were already like this from the beginning. I guess it happens because they previously only played the few gems published by Bethesda that are really good.

But really, try Echelon, Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships, IHRA Professional Drag Racing 2005, Pirates of the Caribbean: The Legend of Jack Sparrow and Star Trek: Legacy and tell me those are good, not to mention the disaster Rogue Warrior. Heck, even their own Battlespire is rather bad, although I guess that could be blamed on the short 9 month development.

Good point, absolutely true.

I've been reading this exact same thread since Morrowind. It's just a different year and a different person writing it.

It's developed by id Software, so from techincal POV atleast very not :hehe:

As for New Vegas, some people were hoping that with Bethesa and Obsidian, both notorious for their buggy games, working together would cause NV to drop off the bugginess scale and end up being perfect. Alas it wasn't buggy enough

New Vegas could've easily had less bugs if they delayed the game 3 to 6 months.

How so many people do not know the difference between a publisher and a developer is frightening. (By people I mean gamers. I do no expect my mum to know the difference)

Nothing else I can say that has not already been said.

I don't expect great things out of games they publish, I expect great things out of games they develop. And so far that has led me to happiness.

Agreed, talking to most of my friends they never seem to have a clear grasp on who is what.For example I was saying one day how EA doesn't make any good games, my friend proceeded to say they made Dead Space. :facepalm:


-Terror of Death
The same things where said about Fallout 3 and Oblivion.

That holds true to pretty much every game ever made, not to mention TES2: Daggerfall which is arguably one of the buggiest games of all time

Oblivion was fine (Outside of Shivering Isles) although they could've delayed FO3 a month or two but I think the problems with that game were more terminal then the devs would realize. Thankfully both those games are still good so I can overlook the problems with those games.

I agree, but I am sure I did say beside Fallout what did they publish.


I don't buy games anymore. I use to love 2K, but don't care for them much more after the Civ V fiasco. The last game I bought after Civ V that was brand new is Fallout: New Vegas. I refuse to buy anymore new games. From reading about The Witcher 2, I might want to get it, but still leary of new games. Still playing old games now and the only new game I can think of buying brand new on Day one release is Skyrim.

I am not boycotting anything, just don't see anything that excites me anymore. Funny how a publisher can get me so unexcited about a game. Was looking forward to DA:O and Mass Effect. Once I found out that my son can't play it and I have to play it when he is not around, was going to do it until, I saw the 2 letters EA, that turned me off, I never did get them yet.

@Davor. See!? Your pointless boycott of a publisher has prevented you from enjoying two of the best gaming experiences in years. Assuming your talking about the original ME and DA:O. Because of some foolish ego that you are too morale and consumer savvy to purchase a game by them, your missing out. I dont understand.