Okay . . . at the climatic scene where the Legate is encountered, the Fallout strategy guide states, under Legate's conclusion #2, if you have a Barter skill of 100 you can eventually direct to the conversation to the point where the Legate tells you what happened in Denver . . .

I really want to know what, in fact, [i][did/i] occur in Denver! However I don't (and probably never will) have a character who can come close to 100 even with all possible skill modifications . . .

I imagine not too many players do increase barter that high . . . but does anyone know what he says?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Denver

Thanks. I've actually read that, but Van Buren isn't "Canon". I doubt the Legate goes into great description, probably just one or two lines, but I would really like to know. It probably would establish the Legions eastern boundary - is Denver within Legion hands or not . . .

Denver is in Colorado and apperantly Caesar controls much of Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado, so it might be under his control, but the wiki seems to say otherwise.

Legion Mongrels come from Denver, or at least are descended from the wild dogs of Denver. Rex is a former Denver PD K-9 unit and served with the Legion. What little there is in the game about Denver is all inline with the Van Buren back story.

Hmmm, what I mean is according to the Strategy Guide, if your Barter skill is 100 you can direct the conversation in such a way that the Legate talks about Denver and the difficulties the Legion encountered there. Presumably he gives some hint as to whether or not the Legion succeeded in overtaking Denver. In order to know the answer, a player would need a Barter of 100 and ask the requisite questions. Has anyone done this?

Why do people always put "canon" in brackets like that, as if it isn't a real word?

I don't see why Van Buren wouldn't be canonical.

I put "canon" in brackets to indicate that it was "somewhat" canonical. It isn't official. That is just how it is.

As fallout titles are published they may change or ignore aspects of Van Buren . . . it has happened already. I certainly hope they do, as making Denver as city of dogs is lame . . .

As long as it doesn't contradict any lore it "could" be considered canon.
For example.
Trogs were suppose to have a small town together with the NCR at the west side of Hoover Dam and the lake was suppose to be highly irradiated filled with monsters.
This is not canon as shown in New Vegas that Trogs and sea monsters does not exist at Hoover Dam.

But Reservation "could" be considered canon until we get actual confirmation telling us otherwise.
Like Wannamingos, they're considered to have become extinct in canon by Fallout Bible 0, but is the entire Fallout Bible to be considered canon?
Until something telling us otherwise it's canon that Wannamingos are extinct and Reservation exists IMO.

So Dogtown is canon IMO, I just wonder if NCR still have their prisoner salvage team there.

Umm . . . does anyone know what the Legate says?

Denver being overrun by dogs is confirmed in New Vegas.

The tribe Antony came from was based in Denver.

To break the tribe, Caesar burned the dogs, which the tribe considered sacred.

Don't know what Legate says happened.

Wasn't "The Den" home to the Slavers in FO2?

"Hnh. Long ago... when taking Denver, I had to face such a challenge. Many died, over many years to claim the city as ours. It was the lines of food and water that nearly broke the Legion's strength... and the lack of tribals near that cursed city. What I felt in that struggle, I felt as I saw the map of the West. The West is a trap. The bear has already been caught in it, and it is dying."

The Den wasn't Denver. It was near the border between California and Oregon.

Awesome. Thanks!

The game was never actually published and many of the characters were reincarnated into new vegas with conflicting histories. The game isn't canon because most of it was cannibalized to make New Vegas.

For something to be cannon it has to be set in stone by the official developers. Just fitting the lore is not enough.

if i said "A ghoul named Jackson lived in Navada in his own cave and died there of old age" while does not contradict any existing lore, it is hardly cannon.