Azura cursed the Dunmer/Chimer for the actions of three, and The Fall of Ald'ruhn apparently has Winged Twilights attacking. Daedra looking for worshipers for their ego is the problem. They don't love their people, only the attention. And the Daedra did nothing, considering that the Chimer were a bunch of Ashlanders whilst the Tribunal built a nation that was worth something.

The Daedra let the Chimer fall the Nords. The Tribunal defended it's people.

Morrowind, if the devs pay any attention to basic physics, is screwed. The Ministry of Truth crashed with enough force to turn Vivec City into a crater; not a pile of rubble, a -crater-. Simple mass alone would not do that; and it simply was not high enough to gain enough gravitational acceleration to do it, either. Something unleashed enough energy to vaporize both Ministry and Vivec; something either exploded, or contained said energy, and the disaster caused whatever was containing it to fail. The crater is big enough to have earned the name Scathing Bay. =Then= Dagoth Ur went BOOOOOOOOM! There are no mountains around that inland sea to deflect the blast front, flame front, or pyroclastic cloud. Even the wimpiest volcanic eruption unleashes multi megaton level energy; odds are the Ministry's fall and Vivec's devastation fractured the island (which, being in the middle of an inland sea as it was, -had- to be volcanic upthrust......meaning that whole area was an active caldera). If the bay water hit that magma pocket........

What's left of Morrowind is in the time of Skyrim known as The Wastelands. That kind of gives a hint as to just how massive that volcanic explosion had to be. If there is any island left at all, it probably is new upthrust. The effects would have been global, and you can bet there was damage in Skyrim & Cyrodil, at the very least. The question is which way the prevailing winds blow; if they blow west to east, then the majority of the ejecta was blown out to sea. If east to west, though, then Tamriel got ashed big time (the assumption is west to east). If they are still wastelands over 150 years after the initial event, then it was cataclysmic. Regrowth usually starts within the first 30-50 years.....and if it hasn't.....

This pretty much sums it up.

Didn't the Dunmer free them?
Karma... Karma's a [censored] > Payback's a [censored]

The reason why Vivec is a crater is because MOT fell with ALL THE FORCE it had those centuries ago when Vivec stopped it, when he stopped it, he stopped it in Time/Space. when it fell it hit with the same force it already had

which brings my attention to Colossus EAT IT, Vivec is a bastard and basically had his "beloved" people by the throat, all he did was give six, lies, and bloodshed he and his fellow idiots (bless sotha's soul even though he is not really innocent)

Vivec judged him people whether they loved or not. Love Vivec. Vivec is everything and everyone. Love Vivec = love everything. Not love Vivec = No love in general.

He also wrote a giant "How to CHIM" book. Mostly for the Nerevarine, but it works for others too.

Omg Silent you cannot expect me to take a guy who turned kings into pregnant woman seriously....in any good way rofl.

Vivec is a bastard, but at least he protected his people. That's all I'm saying.

Helseth abolished slavery, so yes. What a scewed form of justice people have here.

ok yeah I'll give you that but I blame him and the rest of the Tribunal none the less. and yeah Azura Cursed them all (thats disputed? effects of the heart?) because of the Tribunals trecherous actions! poor guys been through alot, I hope they are not twits in Skyrim lol

I didn't trust Vivec from the moment I saw him. A true, kind god would not hold his own people hostage with a "big rock of doom in which I can simply let go at my own discretion should you displease me."

@ Lord Tidus- I'm holding out hope that even though the vast majority may be okay with genocide in a videogame, they are not okay with a genocide IRL.

At best I hope its nothing more than rabid fandom.

you missed the point, i didn't say payback is fair and the people deserve it, often its not. its often not thats what the term "Paybacks a b*tch" comes from

sure the dunmer were working on freeing the Argonians. but all that 1000 years of being pushed around built up already

the Argonian people were probably thinking "hell no, they want to change there ways and present themselves as the goodguys NOW? and im supposed to just forget about 1000 years of slavery done by MY PEOPLE?"

Payback's a [censored] essentially means that "yeah you did this now Imma [censored] you up, unlucky."

But how is it payback? The Argonians were no longer slaves, and there has been peace between the two races. Argonians ruthlessly invaded. That outdoes what the Dunmers did to them in the first place. They drove them out of their ancestral homeland, killing any who they came upon.

Oh well. Payback.

Does it mention the mainland though? Vvardenfell was a new pioneering area for the empire.. what about the rest of Morrowind? You know.. the parts that didn't have crazy tribals running around in their ancestors tombs trying to fulfill prophecies..

I highly doubt there aren't Dunmer in Morrowind.. that's just dumb.. they're too tough and had too much on the mainland to just get plowed like they did on Vvardenfell.. High Ordinators anyone?

Stupid lizard freaks..Us dumner need to band together and rid of this foal race

No, even worse you tried to justify what they did. It would have been more acceptable to just say it was pay back, instead you presented it as an acceptable act. If anything it set the Argonian people back eons on acceptance by other races and made them look like animals, even more so if the Hist were truely behind it.

I understand the thought, but it baffles me how anyone can see what they did as an acceptable response.

Haha, this is fun. The war has broken out on the forums.

It's constantly breaking out. A dunmer fan disses the argonians, the argonian fans fire back, and vice vera.

Any topic about dunmer or argonians always ends up being flame bait, because someone just cannot contain supremest views for a fictional race.

although my characters are usually Dunmer they did deserve what they got, and at any rate the war is over haha

omg Hellmouth ur juzt mad cu, DunMeer are LeeZ and Argonianz svckorz!!!!111

Seriously, I just wonder what makes people react the way they do when it comes to this whole slaughter of Dunmer thing. I'm no mer fan, but I can't really say the Hist and Argonians barbarity is all the much a come on either

Moral of the story you reap what you sow.

I think it's ridiculous that people think it was cowardly of the Argonians to strike the Dunmer when they were down. If you had the opportunity to strike someone who had done you wrong when they were weak, you really think you would just wait for them to rebuild and get back on there feet? No, you'd seize the opportunity and finally gain some sense of justice.

(Obviously I know we're talking about lore of a fictional video game series, that could be changed at any time by Bethesda.)

Some have higher moral standing then kicking someone when their down. It may not he the best logical cource, but fact is the Dunmer were in a transitional phase from their old ways and the Hist/Argonians let petty history and revenge take over, that led to a major blow (in my eyes) of them being more than beasts.

Given how powerful the dummer where compare to the black marsh after a lo ng time of being kicked by a more powerful foe, it made sense for them to return their favor and kick the dummer while they where down to drive home a point.