In my opinion, that's what they really are at heart...beasts. They tried to pretend, or otherwise act like they weren't...but we can see what that really did for them. It made them acceptable targets, because they were so unthreatening and powerless. Being nice and easily pushed around obviously wasn't working for them, so it was about time they decided to pay evil unto evil.

Good point and sometimes beasts so was more finishing off wounded prey by that view?

It all comes down to this. The Argonians were the down trodden people who were abused for years and understood that better than most. They were in a position of power to make solid peace between the Dunmer and themselves. Could you imagine the Dunmer surprise if the Argonians had come sweeping in to help them? It would have forged a bond and the Dunmer would likely have realized the errors of their ways for the most part. I mean just the shock factor is impressive. The Argonians [censored] up and [censored] up hard. They made themselves look like asshats and really given their past they should have tried the peaceful approach to effect lasting change instead of reinforcing the Dunmer's stereotypical views of them as true beastfolk. To sum it up.

The Argonians failed when put in a position of power to change things for the better. They could have done REAL good but they failed to. Pathetic. And if it is the Hist's fault then I think that speaks for itself. I would not trust someone that can be controlled by an external force I do not comprehend at any time. I might like the person but that [censored] is scary and seems very [censored] up to me.

You know... not being racist bu think of it this way: Africa taking over America after a nuclear holcaust.

That's rather optimistic of you. I would imagine many Dunmer would rather die than owe anything at all to a lowly beast. They would likely hate the Argonians even more than now, because their proud race would have owed something to those that are less than they are.

no, no it wouldn't MAYBE it would have made sense 200 years ago if "white" people were hit by some plague or...hit hard in a war and there was a massive revolt but now no considering that people of all tracts of race exists in Africa which does not soley consist of :"black" people

EDIT corrected is to If

Just as Morrowind and Black Marsh do not soley consist of their native races.

Proud has nothing to do with it. Yes, the Dunmer are distrustful. But they would have hardly hated the Argonians for aiding them. The Dunmer were actually building up relations with the Argonians before [censored] hit the fan.

That is a flawed example. The guy in question is STILL wrong. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

You want a true comparison. Justify this then because this is the closest real world example and I think it is the most apt.

After hundreds of years of Slavery, America (Morrowind) finally frees Black people(Argonians) from slavery. While still racist to Black people to an extent change is happening for the better. Several years later the Nation is crippled by a series of political and Natural Disasters. Black people rise up taking advantage of the situation to take revenge and kill tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Americans and push them out of the US into Canada(Solstheim i guess). Justify that please.

Haha gross. Putting a french maid costume on an ugly lizard makes her an ugly lizard in a dress. I dunno why people keep saying that pic is attractive. All scaley and lizardy.

Yes, many were trying...but we all know how that works out. The traditionalists and other such individuals in places of power would have found some way to ruin it anyways by being incapable of letting go of the past. The same way the few leaders of the Argonians couldn't let go, and caused this to happen.

That's basicaly what I'm saying.

The Dunmer already freed the Argonians (and Khajiit, mind you, and they aren't genocidal), and they only struck after a cataclysm that killed thousands. How is that just?

the dunmer cut down som hist trees? i will kill them all :gun: worthless worms desurve all they got and more

Well I will continue with my quotes then. I'll even quote a related game series. "War, war never changes."

Optimism can become infectious you know. MLK. White people of the plantation days had the exact same view as the Dunmer did. Eventually that changed and we have our little world today where in our country everyone is equally unequal. Best we can do. Classism is still our issue but eh not gonna go into that.

I think you are being overly pessimistic not realistic. We do have real life examples of similar things and while it may not be completely a 1-1 thing, it still has enough similarities to apply. In short, Argonians failed at a crucial time for peace to hold out in that region. Good thing too because peace in a video game is boring.

well the dunmers used argonians purely as slaves... i can see why argonians would do this!

Burn the forest! [censored] the elves!

Cool assumption, bro.

Of course some people will object, especially seeing as it is Dunmer, but it's about the stance the majority take, or those with more power. Whatever way you look at it, the Dunmer were trying to build relations with the Argonians. The lizards, on the other hand, played along until the Red Mountain erupted. Then they invaded.

It was not expansion, obviously. The Dunmers hadn't done anything in recent past to provoke it. The Argonians, cowardly race they have proven, took advantage for revenge. And unbelievably petty revenge, at that. Defend them, but don't claim the Dunmers had it coming. They're at times ass holes, and probably backwards in many aspect of society, but they did not deserve what happened.

Most of them likely did not deserve it, but like I said, all it takes is a few people to ruin things for everyone else. You can't be invaded by your former slaves if you did not have slaves to begin with.

Didn't help that there was a tribe of Argonians selling Argonians into slavery...I would Imagine that would make the Dunmer view Argonians as beast folk and not really people. Selling your own into slavery for money? A big misconception but as you said. All it takes is a few people to ruin things for everyone else.

I personally think that, however repulsive the action, it actually makes them seem less like beasts and more like people. It is an opportunistic behavior, that points out that they are just as flawed as any other race. That the crowd pleasing act of pretending to be peaceful and timid almost to a fault, is the action that actually made them seem more alien and fake.

This will make it all so much more satisfying as I kill every Argonian that I find. I will ship their scaled hides back to our new home on Solstheim as trophies, and mats for little Dunmer children to wipe their feet on.

You know what an Argonian tied to a snow-covered rock is called?

Dragon bait.

;)

That has been my point all along. I understand the reasons the Argonians invaded. I do not accept nor approve of them and find them repugnant but they ARE people and that is something that people have and can do. The problem I have is people saying it is Justifiable in any way and that it is a good thing. It was a failure of cognition on the Argonians part to not recognize an opportunity for peace but so was it so for the Dunmer in the years prior to them abolishing slavery. But they did abolish it. They WERE trying and that is what makes the Argonians actions so repugnant and obviously just them exercising what is at this point petty vengeance/an excuse for the An-Xiheel to solidify their power by relying on old hatreds.

Since we're so enamored with the idea of Argonian/Dunmer genocide, let me pull out the Hitler card.

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I wonder which side he would have supported?

Its too bad really, All those dwemer ruins gone, I mean it would be worth it if it left the dunmer extinct( just like the dwemer). In short Morrowind is sort of cursed, first a massive war eradicates the dwemer, next the island blows up what worse could happen?! Oh yeah thats right it gets taken over by Argonians (almost as bad as when dunmer took over it), see cursed!

Due to my elven heritage, I, Rymariella, will stand beside my Dunmer brother's and sisters in these hard times, and while they might not accept the fact I will help any way I can, those Argonian's, while giving the chance for the surviving Dunmer's to live, will not go unpunished for their heinous deeds.

i'd have to say that ol' Hitler would have sided with the Dumner strikly because his views parraleled theirs. he would of seen the Argonians as nothing but beasts as well.

so good ridence to the to the Dunmer, its an individual choice whether slaves are legal or not, its up to the individual if they will have then. the people could have sied no despite what the leadership sied that they could do. instead they brought this all on themselves.