What happened to the dwarves!? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:50 pm

Sorry, but saying the devs could do x doesn't really hold up, otherwise the whole argument immediately becomes nothing as they could just randomly add the Brotherhood of Steel come storming in, or things of that sort.

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:42 pm

Sorry, but saying the devs could do x doesn't really hold up

In the case of Dwemer, it doesn't even have to due to the clear holes in the lore. If they left something unexplained, that doesn't mean that they couldn't explain and/or evolve the thing in the next game.

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:25 am

Until otherwise, word of god has stated they're the Numidium. Outside and in-game, it's extremely likely the mystery will never be able to reach a full conclusion as such, only what one could, pretty much, deduce in MW.

And its success is still under some skepticism. Maybe they could, but have yet, to go back to the first stroke of Padomay. No one can truly know its current intentions, save for devs (but lets not go down this road, as it'll lead to any conclusion).

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:55 pm

Yes, they could bring them back. That's not the point. The point is, they aren't coming back.

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:22 am

Do the Dwemer reappear when the dragon breaks? Time-travel is possible, why not go back and nab one of them.

There is simple evidence for the Dwemer's failure. Michael Kirkbride has repeated several times, most famously in the Loveletter but as recently as this month, that love is essential to transcendence. As Kuklos just cited, Michael Kirkbride wrote that the Dwemer did not know love. He did not do this by accident. The Dwemer must have failed.

I'll try asking this again, because nobody seems to want to answer it; is there only one way to transcend the Aurbis?

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:13 pm

If the loveletter from the 5th era are correct, there are multiple ways.

You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man.

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:29 am

If the loveletter from the 5th era are correct, there are multiple ways.

Those aren't distinct goals, they're multiple ways of achieving the same thing.

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:52 am

Yes, they could bring them back. That's not the point. The point is, they aren't coming back.

Bringing them back would be to miss the point and mystic gravitas of their erasure.

I'll try asking this again, because nobody seems to want to answer it; is there only one way to transcend the Aurbis?

I'll answer it. To transcend it? No, there are other ways to surpass it.

But to make a better existence? No existence becomes better without love.

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:40 pm

Ok. But original post was saying that the Dwemer failed because they didn't know love. It doesn't seem that they were trying to make a better existence. It seems they were trying to exploit the technicalities of the universe in mathematical detail. Whether or not they succeeded at this shouldn't be dependent on whether or not a certain path to enlightenment or transcendence requires love.

I'm not sure what the difference between transcend and surpass would be in this context, unless transcend means to go beyond it while surpass means to become better than it, the one escaping the other improving.

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:41 am

Ok. But original post was saying that the Dwemer failed because they didn't know love. It doesn't seem that they were trying to make a better existence. It seems they were trying to exploit the technicalities of the universe in mathematical detail. Whether or not they succeeded at this shouldn't be dependent on whether or not a certain path to enlightenment or transcendence requires love.

HUNGRY MEGA REFUSATRONIC WARHEAD INCOMING.

Dwemeri views on things:

Transcendence? Wut.
Mathematics? Wut.
Love? Wut.
Success/Fail? Wut.
Concept of Paths? Wut.

The Dwemer are a very bad starting point to talk about anything, really, outside of their phat leftover lewts. Bartleby, man, with an extra dose of Bartleby.

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:49 am

Indifference?

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:38 pm

But to make a better existence? ~~No existence becomes better without love.~~

No existence becomes better without ( r )evolution.

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:42 am

No existence becomes better without ( r )evolution.

Silence yourself, rude and inconstant spirit. > : (

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:54 am

You know I'm right. To the Psijics, Change is the most important force. Who do you think rules it?

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:28 am

You know I'm right. To the Psijics, Change is the most important force. Who do you think rules it?

Franklin, the Yokudan god of change. I wasn't expecting it either.

Ok, maybe his name's not Franklin, but whatever his name is you know the Yokudans have him as a god - they have a god for everything. They probably even have a "God Who is the God of the God of Destruction" just for good measure...

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:57 am

In Yokuda, there is a God of We Have Too Many Gods

» Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:25 am

In Yokuda, there is a God of We Have Too Many Gods

Hope you don't mind but that's just gotta be in my sig :chaos: