What happened to the dwarves!?

Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:34 am

As I was walking around Bruma in my new Dwarven armor, I realized something.

Where are the dwarves? Why are they gone? Does the lore say anything about their fate? Why are they not a playable race?
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Jordan Fletcher
 
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:38 am

The Dwarves are all dead, with the exception of Yagrum as far as we know. No-one really knows why they dissapeared or from what, but there are theories. You cant play as a dwarf because theyre basically extinct.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:07 am

They were so badass Nirn couldn't contain them. :)

Here is a guide to probably most of your Dwemer questions.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/definitive-guide-dwemer
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:19 pm

First of, the "Dwarves" are a race of elves called the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/definitive-guide-dwemer. Not sure if you knew that, but better safe than sorry.

As for what happened to them: they were all absorbed into the skin of their giant stompy robot god (the Numidium) to try and ascend back to godhood.

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Dawn Farrell
 
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:03 am

So, "Dwemer" is "Dwarves", eh?

And they apparently killed themselves?
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:55 am

Accimentally
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:50 pm

They were here, and now they're somewhere else. Someone posted a great link up there about all that.
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Abel Vazquez
 
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:57 am

word of god has stated that the dwemer (dwarves) were absorbed in the Numidium and became its golden skin. This was no accident, as they desired to transcend into godhood and go back to the very first stroke of Padomay and Anu, and the Numidium would be that vessel for the entire race, no matter where they were (even the ones in Hammerfell were absorbed). This isn't something unknown, as one could piece together this kind of conclusion if one digged extremely deep into the dwemer lore in Morrowind.

Thing is, they succeeded in becoming the Numidium's golden skin. The problem is whether or not the Numidium was a success. We know that it has been used to conquer Summerset Ilse, and because of that, Tiber Septim was the first person ever to have defeated and incorporated Summerset Ilse into a Tamriellic empire. However, obscure texts report that the Numidium's invasion is a constant and ongoing war, despire being destroyed by the Underking. At all points in time, the Numidium is invading Summerset Ilse. Not only that, there were 8 Numidiums at once when the Warp of the West occurred. One for each of the nations, one that may have squished Septim's Agen, one used to allow Mannimarco ascend into godhood and block Arkay, one held by the Blades, and the last one to be destroyed when the Underking rejoined with his soul. With those two examples, it can be surmised that the Numidium has the ability to give the dragon of time the birdy.

However, if the Numidium is still roaming free, this suggest it hasn't gone back in time to the first stroke of Padomay and Anu. Another issue was that it was not immediately operational when Kraganec used the tools on Shor's (Lorkhan) heart. And the most problematic thing, there is still one dwarf alive, Yagrum. However, ol' Yagrum is nothing more than a completely bloated pile of cancer from the Divine Disease, who is partially insane, and lost a lot of his memories. His sanity is only maintained due to Dyviath Fyr's care for the creature, along with his daughters who keep him company.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:36 am

They all accidentally drank the metaphysical kool-aid, with the exception of Yagrum Bagarn. There are still some ghosts, if you feel the need to console with them.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:52 pm

The ghosts have been long dead, and now wander aimlessly while the infernal and ever present chill of not being in the Dreamsleeve eats away at their sanity. The forms you see are not even shadows of former glory.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:46 am

The ghosts have been long dead, and now wander aimlessly while the infernal and ever present chill of not being in the Dreamsleeve eats away at their sanity. The forms you see are not even shadows of former glory.



At least http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tribunal:Radac_Stungnthumz remembers a thing or two.

Although these ghosts are not the same as souls. They're more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57oKnziHF2Q. At least that's my interpretation.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:12 am

That one ghost had quite the willpower, or didn't care so much he lost...feeling :P
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:20 am

So, "Dwemer" is "Dwarves", eh?

And they apparently killed themselves?


No Dwemer are Elves, Dwarves doesn't exist in ES.

Dwemer = Deep Elves if I remember correctly.

And the rest is already explained.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:45 am

To run with it, "Dwarves" is a misnomer given to the dwemer by "a race of friendly Giants." That name caught on among humans.

As for what happened, there has already been plentiful links and explanations here. The only question I have is, while Kagrenac intended to have his entire race become Numidium, how many were against him, how many agreed with him, did any of them know, and did he realize that in the end he caused them more harm than good, since now they could be controlled by outsiders like Tiber Septim by means of magical MacGuffin?

That is a question. Since the "dwarves" had a hive-mind telepathy thing going, how did Kagrenac keep it a secret from King Dumac? How did Dwemer individuality work, since plainly they had some in the Volenfel Exiles. It's strange and wonderous.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:11 am

word of god has stated that the dwemer (dwarves) were absorbed in the Numidium and became its golden skin. This was no accident, as they desired to transcend into godhood and go back to the very first stroke of Padomay and Anu, and the Numidium would be that vessel for the entire race, no matter where they were (even the ones in Hammerfell were absorbed). This isn't something unknown, as one could piece together this kind of conclusion if one digged extremely deep into the dwemer lore in Morrowind.

Thing is, they succeeded in becoming the Numidium's golden skin. The problem is whether or not the Numidium was a success. We know that it has been used to conquer Summerset Ilse, and because of that, Tiber Septim was the first person ever to have defeated and incorporated Summerset Ilse into a Tamriellic empire. However, obscure texts report that the Numidium's invasion is a constant and ongoing war, despire being destroyed by the Underking. At all points in time, the Numidium is invading Summerset Ilse. Not only that, there were 8 Numidiums at once when the Warp of the West occurred. One for each of the nations, one that may have squished Septim's Agen, one used to allow Mannimarco ascend into godhood and block Arkay, one held by the Blades, and the last one to be destroyed when the Underking rejoined with his soul. With those two examples, it can be surmised that the Numidium has the ability to give the dragon of time the birdy.

However, if the Numidium is still roaming free, this suggest it hasn't gone back in time to the first stroke of Padomay and Anu. Another issue was that it was not immediately operational when Kraganec used the tools on Shor's (Lorkhan) heart. And the most problematic thing, there is still one dwarf alive, Yagrum. However, ol' Yagrum is nothing more than a completely bloated pile of cancer from the Divine Disease, who is partially insane, and lost a lot of his memories. His sanity is only maintained due to Dyviath Fyr's care for the creature, along with his daughters who keep him company.

I think it's pretty clear that Numidium failed. Otherwise the robot would be nowhere in sight by we'd be living in the Dwemer's left toenail. It's a rather blunt instrument in the hands of Talos and Dagoth Ur. The Dwemer created a god and a Tower. They would have been mortified at the latter result and sorely disappointed at the former. It's not much of a consolation prize when your goal is the first brush.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:01 pm

It's a rather blunt instrument in the hands of Talos... It's not much of a consolation prize when your goal is the first brush.

The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:25 pm

word of god has stated that the dwemer (dwarves) were absorbed in the Numidium and became its golden skin. This was no accident, as they desired to transcend into godhood and go back to the very first stroke of Padomay and Anu, and the Numidium would be that vessel for the entire race, no matter where they were (even the ones in Hammerfell were absorbed). This isn't something unknown, as one could piece together this kind of conclusion if one digged extremely deep into the dwemer lore in Morrowind.

Thing is, they succeeded in becoming the Numidium's golden skin. The problem is whether or not the Numidium was a success. We know that it has been used to conquer Summerset Ilse, and because of that, Tiber Septim was the first person ever to have defeated and incorporated Summerset Ilse into a Tamriellic empire. However, obscure texts report that the Numidium's invasion is a constant and ongoing war, despire being destroyed by the Underking. At all points in time, the Numidium is invading Summerset Ilse. Not only that, there were 8 Numidiums at once when the Warp of the West occurred. One for each of the nations, one that may have squished Septim's Agen, one used to allow Mannimarco ascend into godhood and block Arkay, one held by the Blades, and the last one to be destroyed when the Underking rejoined with his soul. With those two examples, it can be surmised that the Numidium has the ability to give the dragon of time the birdy.

However, if the Numidium is still roaming free, this suggest it hasn't gone back in time to the first stroke of Padomay and Anu. Another issue was that it was not immediately operational when Kraganec used the tools on Shor's (Lorkhan) heart. And the most problematic thing, there is still one dwarf alive, Yagrum. However, ol' Yagrum is nothing more than a completely bloated pile of cancer from the Divine Disease, who is partially insane, and lost a lot of his memories. His sanity is only maintained due to Dyviath Fyr's care for the creature, along with his daughters who keep him company.


Arcturian Heresy says this:

But Zurin Arctus was working from incomplete plans. He thinks it is the heart of Lorkhan's body that is needed to power the Numidium.


and

The Numidium, while not the god Tiber Septim and the Dwemer hoped for (the Underking was not exactly Lorkhan, after all)


This suggests that they failed... Ofcourse there lots of theories which vary in small details, and Arcturian Heresy isn't most reliable source from what i've gathered.

I put my own "brain-power" into use.

-Numidium is stated to use dis-creation as it's working method. Which seems to point at Padomay.

+Lorkhan is stated to be more alligned to Sithis than Padomay. Which suggests that he (=he's heart) is more about constant change rather than about Is Not.

=This is at which point Kagrenac hit his hand into pile of dung, instead of reaching Tower, I.

Bah! Me one mundane shameful-picture-of-scholar am wiser than Kagrenac. Who didn't have full support of Dwemer. Well i give author of Arturian Heresy bit gredit, so i didn't do it all by myself.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:17 pm

Kagrenac and his Architects removed the Dwemer from the Heart of the World. Here's the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius, which summarizes their fate.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:36 am

No Dwemer are Elves, Dwarves doesn't exist in ES.

Dwemer = Deep Elves if I remember correctly.

And the rest is already explained.


Actually, "Dwarf" is correct. It exists as far back as Arena, and as recently as Oblivion, and even in Todd Howard's Skyrim interviews and/or Bethesda tour video. "Dwemer" is also right, as is "Deep Elf". They all mean the same thing.

Besides, the idea of Dwarves being a kind of Elf is as old as dirt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_dwarves

Dvergar or Norse dwarves (Old Norse dvergar, sing. dvergr) are entities in Norse mythology associated with rocks, the earth, deathliness, luck, technology, craft, metal work, wisdom, and greed. They are sometimes identified with Svartálfar ('black elves'), and D?kkálfar ('dark elves'), due to their apparently interchangeable use in early texts such as the Eddas.

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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:36 pm

I think it's pretty clear that Numidium failed. Otherwise the robot would be nowhere in sight by we'd be living in the Dwemer's left toenail. It's a rather blunt instrument in the hands of Talos and Dagoth Ur. The Dwemer created a god and a Tower. They would have been mortified at the latter result and sorely disappointed at the former. It's not much of a consolation prize when your goal is the first brush.

:rolleyes: failed in its purpose of going back, duh. Mentioned that already.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:45 am

:rolleyes: failed in its purpose of going back, duh. Mentioned that already.

The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph.

As far as the Anuad:

Nirn (Female/Land/Freedom catalyst for birth-death of enantiomorph)/ Anu-Padomay (enantiomorph with requisite betrayal)/ ?* (Witnessing Shield-thane who goes blind or is maimed and thus solidifies the wave-form; blind/maimed = = final decision)

*Seek and you shall find. I hid it.

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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:24 pm

uh huh
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:42 pm

Ah, that formula is a sight for sore eyes.

Now, what the heck do you mean by posting it?
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:29 pm

So the Brass God hasn't failed its purpose.
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Post » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:26 pm

So the Brass God hasn't failed its purpose.

Use complex sentences and explain yourself, because your intimation that the purpose of Anumidum was to be activated by Tiber Septim is silly. Unless you just suggested that that quote means that Anumidum came into contact and was 'seen' by the first brush of the Anu/Padomay enantiomorph. But that's false because The Enantiomorph in context means Talos and his double.

The Dwemer already knew how to make robots. A really big robot with some temporal parlor tricks was no big deal. Not like it's really that hard to break the dragon anyway.
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