I mean, only USA and China went atomic, so what about Europe? What happened to Countries like Italy or France? Where they also devastated? [censored], I can't get my head around this one

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ive wondered about that too, but mainly....what happened to australia?

Ever heard of Mad Max?

Win.

No-one really knows, and why should we, really? The cultural differences are so great, it would be hard to fit them into the Fallout-universe so that no-one would complain.

How about this... I'm making it up though

*Ron Pereleman voice on"

Without oil, transportation of food from the dry food growing regions to the cities all but ceased. Whilst the major cities had plenty of water from their atomic powered desalinsation plats, these too ceased to function without fuel and spare parts. The result was massive food and water shortages, which massively decreased the population.

(Well, its as plausable as anything else).

I would say Alliances cause World War much like WW 1, this added with Nuke Happy countries caused the entire world to become a Wasteland.

Well, Allister Tenpenny will tell you that he's a "British Refugee"

So, clearly something happened over there...

There was a darkly humorous comic book story back in 1999 or 2000, where the Y2K bug caused all the missiles everywhere to launch. Fortunately the same bug kept them from going off... but lots of cities had brand new "decorations", like giant lawn darts.

The punchline was that Paris, France wound up with missiles with a dozen different flags.
Everybody hates the ^%$# French.
:)

We can be pretty sure Canada was also a prime target, since in the FO timeline Canada was invaded and annexed by the US. This is shown at the start of FO1 or 2.. I can't look to see which one atm, but it's in the intro.

Well, we don't know if he's actually telling the truth or whether he's pretending to be British, like Loxley from FO1.

Well we know Moriarty comes from overseas (Check Dashwood's computer for info), so I think it's a safe bet that Tenpenny is also from England.

Only a local nuclear war, for example between India and Pakistan would COMPLETELY destroy the ozone layer for the entire globe.

between the US and China, consequently all NATO countries that has nukes (except France), would make for a nuclear winter.
It doesn't matter where you live. If you survive without any harm, you are a very lucky guy/girl

Those NATO countries had other problems (the collapse of the European commonweath) and given their economies ground to a halt because the US wouldnt share the oil, I doubt they'd be enclined to honour their NATO commitments (if they had them in FO).. I mean whats the US going to do? Declare war on everyone? Complain to the (disbanded) UN?

Perhaps not, but still, a war between the US and china would lead to the destruction of, well, everything

They would at least have "intact" infrastructure, if they evaded bombs. They would do better than US or China. That is something, then again massive overpopulation (no bombs) and poor food situation (nuclear winter) would lead to chaos, starvation etc. But still they have much more intact infrastructure to start over. That would be huge step in recovery process.

And how important is oil really in Fallout universe? They have nuclear power. Oil as grease ain't that vital.

Nuclear power is kind still of experimental, and suddenly the oil was sealed. Then there was a allmost collapse over it and the war followed with nuklear tecnology being developed, and oil was still vital due tecnology.
Solar plants and similar was never develped properly either, so it was a mess.

Besides, Europa waged war on Russia and Saudi Arabia for oil. On Norway to if they broke out of EU, but they would Nuke back too.

So in the end, it was: 1 sends of nuke, everybody sees it and panics and start launching everywhere.

It's plausible to assume that the rest of the world is just like America.

Based on the concept of Nuclear War known as M.A.D. "Mutually Assured Destruction", once any country lets the bombs fly, every other country capable of doing the same, would, with whatever targets they find the most threatening. America and China have more than enough nukes to obliterate all of each other major population centers and key military operations, so the left overs are pointed at other lower threat targets, causing those targets to also fire.

There aren't any countries in the Fallout World that made it out ok, that would really go against the setting.

As i recall from Tactics, "England sank"

You know I just thought of this, but with enough Nukes going off at the same time in roughly the same general place on the globe. The earth could have been moved out of the orbit we know of today. It could possibly have gone into a more elipical orbit with the sun, a closer orbit with the sun(which would the extreme heat and desert conditions), it could have gone into a spiraling orbit.

With enough force exerted in one place, nuclear explosions would act the same as a booster rocket on a space ship. "With every action, there is an equal and opposite REACTION" The force of the explosions would push upon the atmosphere and then upon the magnetosphere and then upon solar radiation in space and thereby actually moving the earth out of it's standard orbit.

Most of industrialv production still relied on oil, as did many powerplants Nuclear Energy was just getting to the point to be viable on a consumer scale (Cars and such). I think aircraft due to their long life spans are still probably running on AvGas. Plastics require oil in their creation.

Still very important.

The Middle East is a historical and cultural subregion of Africa-Eurasia traditionally held to be countries or regions in Southwest Asia together with Egypt. In other contexts, the region can include other parts of North Africa and/or Central Asia. In the Western world, the Middle East is generally thought of as a predominantly Islamic Arabic community defined by constant war.

In 2052, the Resource Wars began. Many smaller nations went bankrupt, and Europe, dependent on oil imports from the Middle East, responded to the Middle East's rising oil prices with military action. The long drawn-out war between the European Commonwealth and the Middle East began. In January 2054, limited nuclear exchange in the Middle East raised fears throughout the world.

Eventually, Euro-Middle Eastern War ended in 2060, as the oil fields in the Middle East ran dry... there was no longer a goal in the conflict, and both sides were reduced almost to ruin.

China with some annexed countries; nowadays direct neighbouring states are: Northern Korea, Russia and Kazakstan (former Soviet Union), Mongolia, India, Bhutan, Nepal, Burma/Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam and through Taiwan Strait - Republic of China; there are some asian countries with significant chinese population also, eg. Singapore or Malaysia;
the European Commonwealth with the United Kingdom as its member, Germany, Belgium and Austria as its possible members;


taken from lore.

Five caps say that all the countrys but US and China sank into the Rad Ocean.

Even if all the nuclear weapons weapons in the world wold be detonated now this wouldn't happen. Is basicly impossible to do with just a "couple" of nukes.....


Back to the Topic.

Midle-east and Europe were preaty much already destroied because of a prolonged war for the remaining oil BEFORE the Great War so with all the chaos and problems they already have they wouldn't have the resources to also send nuclear weapons, plus they wouldn't realy care about US and China blowing up eachother... Comon just think a bit, if i was an US ally and sudenly a nuclear-war that will devastate both US AND theyr enemyes wy would i involve myself? I would put some burocratic issue ("My congress/parlament is being reunited in this moment to discuss the matter Mr. US President!") and wait for some few hours, in the end of the day with both super-potencies reduced to ashes i realy doubt they would take any action agains my selfish action...

Now i agree that most infrastructure on the Europe, Oceania, AFRICA AND SOUTH AMERICA (people tend to forget these two places) would be preaty much intact. However there is the effects that only happens AFTER the bobms drops, in either way even the most "intact" areas would become a dry wasteland after 3 or 4 years, and chaos would had already made those places suffer a lot of losses after the first few monts. So i do belive that the rest of the world (South America. Europe, Oceania, Africa and a portion of the western most asiatic countrys) should have become a wastlands with completely diferent caracteristics of the US/China ones. IMHO those countrys or atleast a portion of them, must have survived the post-apocaliptic war and are still learning how to deal with the new world they live in. They might actualy much more stronger than any of the old super-potencis with far more advanced tecnologi. And before people start to question this line of thoutgh asking why they dont help the countrys that suffered a direct hit from the bombs, there is an extremely TWO simple answer to this, first THEY DONT CARE and second they are too busy adapting to the new world to even think about it....